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Just because Republicans choose unreality doesn’t mean the media should ignore the facts of January 6.

On January 6, 2021, I watched CNN as thousands of Donald Trump supporters stormed the US Capitol. As someone well-versed in watching tragedy on television, I was struck by just how indisputable the facts were at the time: violent, red-hat-clad MAGA rioters, followed by Republicans in Congress, tried to stop democracy in its tracks. Trump had told his followers that the protest in Washington, DC, “will be wild,” and in the assault that followed his speech, some rioters smeared feces on the walls of the Capitol. Hundreds of them have since been convicted on charges ranging from assault on federal officers to seditious conspiracy. These are stubborn facts, the kind that do not care about your feelings. These facts include the inalienable truth that Trump is the first president in American history to reject the peaceful transfer of power.

It never occurred to me that these facts could somehow be perverted by partisanship. But three years later, we are seeing just that, as Republicans cling to the lie that the 2020 election was “stolen” by Joe Biden and are poised to make Trump their 2024 nominee. And perhaps even more dangerous than the GOP ditching reality is the news media’s inability to cover Trumpism as the threat to democracy that it very much is.

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But the problem is, when all you have is conventional political framing, everything looks like politics as usual. One candidate makes a claim; the other disputes it. Two sides are divided, etc. This framing only works if both parties operate within the frameworks of a shared reality. But Trumpism doesn’t allow for the reality the rest of us inhabit. Trump’s supporters believe their leader’s reality and not, say, the reality the rest of us see with our eyes. As Trump once told a crowd: “Don’t believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news. What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening.”

Journalists may be well-intentioned in trying to be “objective,” or they’re simply afraid of being labeled partisan. Either way, coverage of January 6 that gives equal weight to both sides—one based in reality, one not—is helping pave the road for authoritarianism.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (7 children)

All well and good, but these idiot kids are actually refusing to vote for him over this single issue. I agree that It’s fine to be bothered how he’s handling things- even if they’re a bit misunderstood on how things actually work- I mean, sure…it’s bothering.

But this is the biggest “I’m cutting off my nose to spite my face” America will EVER see.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Single issue lmao. "Yeah Hitler did genocide but that's just a single issue"

OK dude.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Right, how could someone not want to vote for someone because they support genocide? How ludicrous.

I'll still vote for Biden because I'll already be in the booth, but sitting back and acting like this is our only option is nonsense.

Voting alone does not create change. Labor Movement, Women's Suffrage, Civil Rights, all were accomplished by active resistance and here you are spouting nonsense about how we should all just participate in the system that's circling the drain instead of disrupting it.

The longer you all take to come around the worse it will get, no matter which major party is in the Oval Office.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I strongly suspect that these one issue kids have no idea of what is going on in the Mideast
Israel was attacked by Hamas and Hezbollah. The over the top response by Netanyahu is much like you would get from the orange wanna-be dictator. Israel is under threat by Iran too. The arms sent were a show of force least any other hostile countries decide to pile on. Biden has been forceful with Israel behind the scenes, placing conditions on the use of the arms and pushing Israel to back off. He can't do so publicly because it would let the hostile countries sense a weakness. Kids are triggered by emotions and fail to dig for news contrary to their biases because it doesn't reinforce their need for an anger dopamine rush - much like MAGAs.
It is so much easier to sit on ones ass rather than to do the hard work of being intelligently informed and to create change

"I look with commiseration over the great body of my fellow citizens who, reading newspapers, live and die in the belief they have known something of what has been passing in the world around them" - Harry Truman

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. Their “genocide” is a knee-jerk sensationalist reaction to the typical extremist news they’re used to reading. It’s almost always a lot more nuanced than it appears.

As I like to say, life exists within the grey area that lies between the boundaries of black-and-white ideologies.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You liberals call it genocide when China teaches a Tibetan Mandarin, but when Isreal mass slaughters tens of thousands as part of an ongoing campaign to expel Palestinians and take their land, suddenly things are "more nuanced then they appear"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Actually, its part if a Palestinian campaign to destroy Israel. Israel did offer a two state solution multiple times. Its the Palestinians that reject the right of Israel to exist, not the other way around.

Sacrificing their own population to gain support doesn't make them right.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Isreal has never offered a two state solution. At best they have proposed a bantustan.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

1947 called, it says you're misinformed, or worse.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

Israel didn't even exist in 1948.... Talk about misinformed or worse.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 8 months ago

no one calls me a kid any more, and this single issue is the straw that broke the camel's back.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The people who can find a way to excuse, minimize or ignore Biden's military and political support for genocide could probably find a way to excuse, minimize or ignore just about anything. There is no bottom, only partisanship and convenience.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Sure, but if you're planning on sticking around in America, or care about its influence worldwide, shouldn't you at least try to steer it towards the least worst option?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago

The only people who have influence around here are the wealthy and corporations. I don't think two choices between two old genocidal men is the best example of saving democracy, as you can tell people still suffered and died under the "harm reduction" guy.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If we want to win, we need to appeal to people who disagree with your support for genocide, no matter how much you hate them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Nobody hates you, we're just sick of idealists in a time when we need pragmatists.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

If you actually believed that, and weren't an idealist centrism and genocide yourself, you would pragmatically demand a primary to choose a candidate who could win and not try and demand unearned votes through shaming.

You're as pragmatic as a college kid carrying around a dog-eared copy of 'Atlas Shrugged'

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do you think any person elected to the presidency wouldn't continue supporting Israel? To cut off funding and weapons to Israel would be absolute political suicide in this country. Don't care if it's Biden, Trump, Desantis, doesn't matter. Israel will continue to get $Billions and weapons. It's just the way it is.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Those pesky idealists... being opposed to checks notes literal fucking genocide.

I'm voting for Biden and you don't care. You just want unquestioning support for the genocide you support.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 8 months ago

Very true. Notice that they still downvote you even if though you said you'll vote for Biden. Despite what they say, it has nothing to do with harm reduction, and everything to do with kissing the ring.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So your solution is to make it easier for Trump to win? You know that would make things even worse?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

If only there was a democratic process to choose the Democratic nomination for president... Man, that would be such a great idea. I wonder why no one thought of it?

THE SOLUTION WOULD BE TO HAVE A FUCKING PRIMARY, and not, you know un-democratically ban other candidates for the nomination in 10% of the states, so far.

You're the ones with a genocidal candidate you want everyone else to vote for. It's your job to find a solution to get people to vote for him, if you don't want to have a contest to decide who people would vote for as the democratic nomination.