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This is about the most recent version of LibreOffice on Windows 10. I can't speak for other versions.

My daughter worked hard on her social studies essay. I type things in for her because she’s a really bad typist, but she tells me what to write… but I didn’t remember to manually save her social studies essay yesterday, and for some reason the ThinkPad rebooted, LibreOffice crashed and we lost the whole thing... because autosave was not automatically on when I installed it.

No, recovery didn't work. We just got a blank file.

I rewrote it for her based on the information we had and what I remembered and tried to make it sound like what a 13-year-old would write because it was basically my fault and she did do the work. I did have her sit with me as I wrote it in case she didn’t like something I wrote, but it was sort of cheating. I'm okay with that cheating since I know she worked hard on it.

First, though, I went into the settings and turned on autosave.

I like LibreOffice, but why the hell is that not on automatically? Honestly, I don't really understand why someone wouldn't want their documents autosaved, but I'm pretty sure most people would want that.

This isn't fucking 1993. I shouldn't have to remember to save a document anymore and it shouldn't be lost forever because of it.

Like I said, I like LibreOffice. I don't really want to trust documents to Microsoft or Google. But this was really annoying.

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[–] [email protected] 133 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

I type things in for her because she’s a really bad typist

This baffles me more than the autosave issue, to be honest. I mean, good on you for helping your daughter, but without practice, she'll forever stay a bad typist. The older she gets, the longer and complex her essays will be, and the harder it'll be for her to catch up in typing speed. If you have the funds, you may want to consider getting her a course to teach her 10-finger-typing.

Furthermore, if the laptop randomly reboots for no reason, autosave won't save you. You just need a tiny bit of bad luck for the computer to crash while saving, corrupting the perfectly-good file saved to disk. If the laptop reboots more often, you should consider focusing your efforts on resolving that, or you'll risk losing previously saved work through filesystem corruption in the long term.

As for autosave: if you don't trust LibreOffice, you can use Microsoft Word or Google Docs online for free. I agree that LibreOffice should just enable autosave by default, but you may want to switch to a cloud solution if your laptop randomly turns off.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

There are free 10 finger typing classes online. Frankly it's a bit fun, similar to learning an instrument! I did one during downtime at work because I was a 6/7 finger typer, and always had to look for numbers or punctuation other than . , ! ?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It doesn’t take any money at all to learn touch typing: just google “learn to touch type” and there’s Mavis Beacon type software just written in js, totally free.

All that’s required is the discipline. If OP’s daughter sits with it 5 minutes a day she’ll be able to touch type in no time.

Learning as young as possible is the right move.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Mavis Beacon haha. For something not ancient, https://www.typingclub.com.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Furthermore, if the laptop randomly reboots for no reason, autosave won't save you. You just need a tiny bit of bad luck for the computer to crash while saving, corrupting the perfectly-good file saved to disk.

Hardly how file saving works. Else you could say the same about a bit of bad luck for the computer to crash while pressing ctrl-s, corrupting the perfectly-good file saved on disk.

Too many people on this thread seem to see autosave and ctrl-s as two different things, governed by magic and mystery, one of them indispensable to conside nyourself an experienced computer user. It's the same fucking piece of code, in one case invoked by a timer, in the other one by the end user pressing a key combo.

Op's issue was that automated was disabled by default. Obviously autosave doesn't work it it's disabled.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

The reason OP lost data is because they never saved the document, probably because they relied on autosave being there when it wasn't, but autosave doesn't prevent your computer from turning off randomly. One random shutdown won't eat your document (long live journaling file systems) but if random shutdowns happen often, your computer will start eating files you're working on.

Obviously, Ctrl+S and autosave use the same mechanism, but frequent autosaving increases the probability of writes partially succeeding.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

or instead of throwing more data/money at Big Tech try one of the self hosted instances of https://nextcloud.com/office/ or https://cryptpad.org/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

This makes op a bad parent. Know this first op... The luxury of autosave is the least of your worries.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

It doesn’t make them a bad parent. They are just making a poor choice out of what I assume is good intentions.