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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I would mind less if the American auto industry was producing affordable lightweight EVs...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Best we can do is a four ton truck.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Or cars with any level of quality.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Hey man the Toyota I drive was made in the USA, it's great.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

...that go straight into the landfill?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No, I'd prefer they get used. What an odd question.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

It's not really an odd question from that particular user, if you consider the context that they have an agenda; FUD and misinformation about EVs.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

To that end, this means we would need to lower standards, use some forced labor, and increase taxes to increase subsidies in order to compete.

Republicans would shoot down the subsidies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Just producing EV versions of Honda Fit or Ford Fiesta like what the Chinese EV makers do is enough. Instead, they keep producing EVs with luxury features (and high price tags) then surprised people won't buy them without subsidy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You're describing the Bolt and it sells terribly here. The Model 3 outsells it 20:1 in any given month.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

The Bolt isn't cheap though (almost 2x of Honda Fit price), and wasn't produced in sufficient quantity. The Chinese EV companies are somehow able to produce entry level EV models with minimal features at a price cheaper than Honda Fit and they're selling like hot cakes both domestically and in neighboring Asian countries.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

No it literally wouldn't. It's absolutely possible to produce smaller lightweight vehicles with the exact same standards. But unfortunately we've all been pushed towards larger vehicles. Simply because they make more money on them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The push towards large vehicles was due to the fact that they used a truck chassis, and were exempt from safety and emissions requirements of a “car”

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Not if it's electric (for emissions)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

While true, the general cultural preference for larger vehicles will inherently carryover to when people are deciding what EV to buy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Unfortunately producing a smaller affordable car for the average person would fall under "lower standards" 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't matter what size car Americans build, they simply can't compete. Larger vehicles are a cultural preference and fits the American environment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If this was true, the Chinese EVs could be allowed in and no one would buy them. I personally want a smaller car that can comfortably seat 5 and has additional safety and comfort features (backup cameras, lane assist, heat pump climate control, etc.). This could easily be done with a sedan, hatchback, or station wagon. The only cars that have these features that I know of are SUVs.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not exactly true when they're selling them for $10k-$15k. The Bolt is comparable to a Chinese EV and they only sell around 2k per month while something like the Model 3 sells 50k per month.

If you lowered the price of the Bolt to the price of a 10 year old used Camry, I'm sure it would sell a lot better but this is an artificial price that completely distorts the market and puts a lot of people out of work for what amounts to a temporary savings. This is the whole point of tariffs. They level the playing field for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They discontinued the Bolt. They needed the factory for trucks.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah I know. By popular demand. They didn't plan to bring it back until people complained about one of the only affordable EVs being removed from the market. But it's coming back on their ultium platform that's been plagued with problems.