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Data from two research firms and figures published by Musk and X suggest a deteriorating situation for X by some metrics. Musk has marketed it as the world’s “town square,” but in number of users it continues to lag far behind social media rivals that focus on video, such as Instagram and TikTok. 

In February, X had 27 million daily active users of its mobile app in the U.S., down 18% from a year earlier, according to Sensor Tower, a market intelligence firm based in San Francisco. The U.S. user base has been flat or down every month since November 2022, the first full month of Musk’s owning the app, and in total it’s down 23% since then, Sensor Tower said.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Eh I've been reading this headline forever.

Call me when it's Myspace.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Myspace existed for a really long time after it ceased to be relevant. It actually only ceased to be relevant after they lost all the music that had been uploaded. That's when independent musicians finally abandoned it, and it basically disappeared.

Reporting on "X" is what's keeping it alive, IMHO. Stop reporting on it and it will stop being used. Alternatively, if there's some major incident, that would probably be enough to finish it. It may eventually go bankrupt between now and then, but it's actually pretty useful for people wanting to spread nazi propaganda so the far right will probably keep pumping money in until it collapses.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

It's turned into such a cesspool of right wing nut jobs and musk groupies. Huge echo chamber.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

What I find most interesting, is not that twitter is failing in active users faster than the others, but that all the other listed in the article are also all seeing a decline in user ship. Even the new “up and comer” TikTok is losing users.

To some extent I suspect that it’s just a result of people breaking their social medias built during the pandemic. But is there something else? Are they just going to new platforms? Is there a modal shift on how people congregate online driven by the issues with platforms? Or are people just spending less time online with the pandemic mostly over.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Right wing "free speech" spaces tend to crash and burn hard. If they don't moderate blatant racism and shitty behavior, the white supremacists drive out all the sane people, but if they do moderate, then shit stains like Tim Pool will start casting massive amounts of FUD onto the platform and claim that it has "gone woke" and isn't a true free speech platform.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

It's something you see endless repeated. When there is no rules, you get the loudest, baddest, pieces of work, rise to the top and then set rules that favour them. Look over the world and history, where law and order has broke down, war/drug lords take over.

I lived in Holland for a bit, my Dutch colleagues told a story of the bus system. Holland tried a honor payment system, trusting people to pay what they needed to for their trip. It failed hard and was replaced with fair collectors my colleagues called "the bus Nazis".

The same thing happens with free speech absolutism. You hit "Paradox of tolerance".

Anarchy just doesn't work. You need rules for everyone to play nice by.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Musk has marketed it as the world’s “town square"

He says it so clearly here which makes me wonder how people don't realize it:

How fucked up would it be if your actual town square was owned by a private company?

A private company that is in control of who is allowed to talk and what they are allowed to say. A private company that even decides what you hear and see while walking the square. Meanwhile also shovelling ads in front of you while you try to find the people you actually want to engage with.

"Social" media owned by private corporations is not social. Such media is anti-social, corporate control of public spaces that ought to belong to the people, just like they mostly do in real life.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Ah in this town square metaphor, don't forget the private company's CEO has a megaphone and talks over people, and outright kicks them out of the square if you hurt his feelings.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

How fucked up would it be if your actual town square was owned by a private company?

You have just invented malls. Hugely damaging to society, but they come with convenient parking and air con.

I quite like the tag line X, the abandoned shopping mall of the internet.

I think it describes it well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

"The platform struggles to attract and keep users": why should I give up my data to an alt-right platform owned by a billionaire?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I use Twitter through a browser and ad blocker and the content is borderline dogshit as it is. I use it because inertia means the things I want to find are still represented there. But it can't be long before some major accounts move elsewhere, or deprioritize their presence. I'm thinking mainly of news orgs, but NGOs and governments might move too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

For Twitter I'm apparently also a turbo user, as I get loading errors every day, after opening a few tabs quickly. Then it takes a while before I'm unblocked. Before Elon bought Twitter this never happened.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Elon was right when he said history will remember who killed Twitter, but we disagree on who

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago

People acting as if twitter is something important. And killing it is meaningful. In Europe we don't use it. Literally. I'm Polish, I never had a twitter account and don't know anybody who has. The whole twitter/musk debacle is a war over nothing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Whenever I get linked to twitter, it tries to get me to login when I just want to scan the thread..... I back out everytime now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Same. It loads the page where the tweet would be, then it seems like 2 popups cover it up, both about logging in. I immediately no longer care about viewing what I wanted to see, and close the window.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Honestly I feel like that killed Twitter more than many other changes.

People tell me "there's no way he (musk) would intentionally crash his own company - it makes no sense - "he's just terribly bad at business!"

But is he really THAT bad? In what world could these changes be made in which he's actively trying to improve the company? If nothing else, seeing the negative backlash, bad publicity and dropping number of users wouldn't any sound minded business owner at least temporarily undo some of these changes?

With any business, if you make a change that causes you to lose customers and get bad publicity.. don't you try to mitigate the damage done? Who goes balls to the wall on obviously bad decisions?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He's that bad at business. On Twitter, Musk has no workers to contain his bullshit or create a good public image for him. Nor does he have enough workers to keep Twitter running smoothly as it used to.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My point is, look I'm a dumb white hick. I've never ran anything as significant as this. Just from the way the guy talks I can tell he has eons more experience than I do. His track record? Jesus Christ.

Still, if I were him I would've just.. stopped. Long, long ago.

Yet he hasn't. Admittedly, I'm a dumb fuck yet smart cookie compared to some but honestly what are the odds that with zero experience I could make better business decisions than this guy?

Make it make sense, ya know? Explain to me like I'm 5 why he would make decisions that are so obviously detrimental to the company? What are the odds that I could give better business advice than this guy?

Yet this is what he's doing. He's either purposely destroying it or has some weird master plan and I'm not sure I can be convinced otherwise tbh. We all see it, as bad as he seems to be there's no way he doesn't.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Elon sounds like he's experienced, skilled and is approaching things from a theoretical or ethical or other grand point of view. He used to impress me with his approach on building an electric car company with full self-driving vehicles in the 2010's. I wasn't a full believer, but I thought he was competent and wanted Tesla to succeed.

Then he went and bought Twitter. As a software engineer all my life, and in the startup scene, and having worked in a failed social media platform, I have some experience. Everything he's said about Twitter is crap and everything he's done is stupid. And the results speak for themselves.

I've seen people say that Elon sounds great about things they don't know too much about. But when the topic comes to things they do understand, Elon clearly is wrong.

He started his career with hundreds of millions of dollars, and he bet it all on a couple of businesses be bought (he was never a founder, always a purchaser).

Basically he's been lucky twice (Paypal and Tesla), but each of these won 10-100x on his initial stake.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Basically he’s been lucky twice (Paypal and Tesla), but each of these won 10-100x on his initial stake.

From what I've heard about his time at Paypal he really lucked out by basically being pushed out of the company with a golden parachute to ride out on.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm actually glad to see what's been happening to Twitter because as much as it was started with good intentions and used to be a positive force for tech, it was also fundamentally flawed social media model. The basic problem was that only positive reactions were allowed - like, retweet, follow. This is NOT the town square, where you can get any reaction. It's more akin to a dictator's rally, where you're only allowed to clap and booing is not allowed. So it's no surprise that over time, it led to filter bubbles and the spread of mass delusions. Because you could say the craziest or most depraved thing, and all you'd hear is applause.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Downvoting and disliking can have their own issues too.

On Lemmy, downvoting isn't really that bad, especially compared to Reddit, and that's likely because of the federated model where instance admins can't trust the authenticity of votes. On Lemmy, voting effects the score on the post and that's it, as opposed to Reddit where taking on too many downvotes will shadow ban or lock your account, even if you still have thousands of karma in the subreddit where it happened. Those restrictions also apply site wide. Lemmy users also don't have a global karma count, which removes most temptation to delete posts that go negative and self censor. Of course there are probably many people out there who would delete a post with a 10:1 negative score ratio. Then again if it's that bad then it might not be a bad thing to delete it.

Both models have their place and pros and cons. I understand the nefarious intent behind this change on Youtube, but I feel like hiding negative feedback so that only the poster can see it has potential. It could deter bandwagon downvote brigading. Dislikes are really only relevant to the algorithm and the user who posted the content.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

In Lemmy you can also disable the visualization of the voting system instance-side and client-side. I disable it, then, after writing my piece, it's out there. If people don't like it and they don't reply, well, deal with it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

I used to be really active on Twitter. Everyone was there: my friends, people in my industry, people involved in my hobbies. When Musk bought it out everyone left. I tried to follow them to Bluesky and Mastodon but they mostly just quit posting. Between that and Reddit falling apart I don’t often use social media anymore.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Weird, whenever I browse twitter I see loads of people of all kinds tweeting things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It's almost like "fewer people" is a distinctly different concept from "nobody".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

What do you mean Albuquerque has fewer people than NYC? One time I was at this cafe in Albuquerque and it was packed!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

People on mastodon and lemmy keep saying twitter is dead, but it's actually very active.

One of the idiots that replied to that comment of mine literally said they don't go there anymore but looked at me like I'm some kind of idiot for just saying that people are still tweeting. Out of the two of us, I'm the one who still goes there, they don't go there anymore.

So who do you think would know better about what's going on on twitter as of late?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago
  1. The post you responded to didn't say that Twitter is "dead".
  2. People who still use Twitter are, in fact, idiots.
  3. NBC News does seem to be a more credible source than you on this topic.
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because the algorithm will always try to fill the timeline with something. It’s not going to show you empty spaces where tweets WOULD have been if people who left had been there.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't see any empty spaces.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Yes. Because the algorithm fills them with tweets from other people. That’s why it seems like there are still the same number of people there even though there aren’t.