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the weird thing is that Israel's government is being confusing - the ceasefire is meant to be lasting but they have vowed to invade Rafah anyway until Hamas is toppled.
Sounds to me like Netanyahus government wants to trade hostages to appease protesters and voters, and then continue flattening Rafah anyway.
The terms Hamas had agreed to were not immediately clear, but a senior Israeli official quickly said that the terms were not those that Israel had agreed to.
Looks like the headline matches reality.
You keep spewing totalitarian cacophony, you crazy diamond.
Linkerbaan vs PugJesus. Linkerbaan ratio is 5, PugJesus ratio is 2. Draw is 1. Results at 10pm.
On the serious note: An accessible link would be appreciated.
Wayback machine cuts off early, but this is what it gives:
The announcement by Hamas on Monday that it had accepted terms of a cease-fire added to the uncertainty that began over the weekend, when officials said that the armed group and Israel had reached an impasse after months of talks.
As if to underscore that the fighting would continue, Hamas militants on Sunday launched rockets from Rafah, their last stronghold in Gaza, killing four Israeli soldiers. The following morning, Israel announced a mass evacuation of areas in Rafah, escalating fears that the military would soon begin a long-anticipated invasion of the crowded city.
Hours later, Hamas suddenly announced that its leader, Ismail Haniyeh, had accepted a cease-fire proposal based on a plan proffered by Egypt and Qatar, which have been mediating the negotiations with Israel. The terms Hamas had agreed to were not immediately clear, but a senior Israeli official quickly said that the terms were not those that Israel had agreed to.
While Israel and its main ally, the United States, said they were reviewing the proposal Hamas had agreed to, the public statements by the two sides in the war suggest that they remain far apart on key issues needed to reach a truce. Here is a look at those differences.
Hamas wants a permanent cease-fire. Israel wants a temporary truce. The two sides are stuck on a fundamental question: will this cease-fire be a temporary pause to allow an exchange of hostages for prisoners or a long-term end to the fighting that would leave Hamas in power?
Israel insists on a temporary cease-fire, saying it will keep fighting afterward with the eventual aim of toppling Hamas’s rule in Gaza. Hamas demands a permanent cease-fire and vows to remain in power there.
AP is saying the same thing.
A ceasefire for you is when israel can keep committing Genocide and Hamas doesn't fight back right?
A ceasefire is when both sides agree to cease firing. The article headline is quite clearly correct, but I know you aren't interested in facts.
Conveniently ignore that Hamas accepted the ceasefire deal proposed by Egypt and Qatar, which means that both israel and Hamas very well know what is in the deal.
A cease fire is when both sides stop firing. Then you need the word deal to get there. Which Hamas has accepted and israel has not.
Conveniently ignore that Hamas accepted the ceasefire deal proposed by Egypt and Qatar, which means that both israel and Hamas very well know what is in the deal.
And Israel says the deal Hamas agreed to isn't the deal they agreed to. Did you even read the article? Jesus Christ.
Four downvotes inside of a minute, lmao.
Good job you got there!
Hamas accepts the deal.
Israel rejects the deal.
See that's what the article title should be. Not "complicates things".
Hamas accepts the deal. Israel's final response is uncertain - they commented that it was not the deal they agreed to, and it is not simply a matter of "Hamas has agreed, the ceasefire can go into effect". But neither is it a rejection on the Israeli side. It 'complicates things'.
Keep trying. You'll show those big bad Lamestream Media types what for eventually, right?
Is israel does not accept the ceasefire and invades Rafah after the proposal...
Then israel rejects the deal.
We're not in a stalemate position. We're talking about ignoring it and commencing a massively invasion to Genocide thousands of Palestinians
The mental Gymnastics you're willing to do to defend israels Genocide is absolutely astounding.
The new deal accepted by Hamas was even brokered with massive American involvement:
The officials claimed CIA director Bill Burns and other Biden administration officials who are involved in the negotiations knew about the new proposal but didn't tell Israel.
Between the lines: Two Israeli officials said Israel is deeply suspicious that the Biden administration gave guarantees to Hamas through the Egyptian and Qatari mediators about its key demand that a hostage deal will lead to the end of the war.
The mental Gymnastics you’re willing to do to defend israels Genocide is absolutely astounding.
lmao
"The article headline, that the agreement of Hamas creates uncertainty over the ceasefire deal, is literally correct"
"YOU'RE DEFENDING GENOCIDE"
Absolute brainrot.
Libbing all over every place to denounce anything anti israel by pretending there is nuance in this situation that we must see from both sides at places where none is to be seen. Defending any and all propaganda as if it is justified where any person paying the slightest amount of attention can see the glaring double standards.
There it is once again. "If you disagree with me, you support genocide"
Does it ever get tiring, contorting every conversation into that exact same posture? Or is the pay enough to make it worth your while?
I accept the deal in which you hand deliver me all of your money.
When should I be expecting you?
(For the record, I'm 100% in favour of Israel immediately stopping all offensive action and immediately withdrawing from Gaza and being forced to immediately let aid in)
But this particular sticking point is kinda nonsense. If both parties aren't involved in the development of the terms, then it's just a political stunt to announce you've accepted them.
Israel could JUST as easily draft their own terms, and announce they've agreed to them.
Which funny enough they did iirc
Linkerbaan thinks October 7th was legitimate resistance and the most precise irregular operation in modern military history. I guess all those civilians were Secret Zionist Spies. You're not going to get through to them.
These snips of headlines with a little response are nearly always misleading.
This adds nothing to the conversation.
You made this comment an hour after someone linked the article...
Ironically, your comment is what's adding nothing to the conversation
Hamas wants a permanent cease-fire. Israel wants a temporary truce.
I suppose having your victims very publically calling out for peace, and actively trying to push for negotiations alongside other countries would "confuse" the narrative that they're supposed to be bloodthirsty animals.
I literally saw an article in the Israeli press talking about: Agreeing to a temporary truce would be a good idea because then we can use the pause to rearm, resupply, and rest, and then resume the killing having netted ourselves some goodwill on the world stage.
Well, what does the article say?
That the deal Hamas agreed to is a new version of the deal Israel hadnt yet seen.
So this Tameem is full of shit?
When NYT can't properly pluralize a word that already ends with "s" in a headline...
While I want this to end as much as most people, a ceasefire is not the same as a peace agreement. North and South Korea have had a ceasefire since before I was born, but they constantly try to scare the world into thinking it could end at any moment, WW2 ended with a peace treaty, and the Nazi regime was officially removed from power as part of the treaty.
Of course it's only a matter of time until israel starts violating the ceasefire as they always do.
But at least Netanyahu will go to jail first.
singling out Nettanyahu and saying that he will is not antisemitism.
Saying that all Israelis naturally will is however.
nobody thinks israel is going to break the ceasefire because they're jewish. they think that because of israel's well-documented history of repeatedly breaking ceasefires.
If you think that about the current government, yes.
But he explicitly said that Nettanyahu would be arrested. Which would mean a new government.
And if he says that any new israeli government would break it, it is.
I don't even know how to respond to this, it's that fucking ridiculous.
Soon simply criticizing a Jewish person will be anti-semitic to people like you.
That isn't the case and you know it.
If I say "south Africa will always be a corrupt Shithole", is that not racist?
Saying that they're all the same in a negative way.
If South Africa has been a corrupt shithole for 10 years, it doesn't somehow magically become not-a-shithole because the president changes.
The potential for it to become not-a-shithole is there. It is not somehow magically fixed because one person is changed.
I can't fucking believe I have to explain this shit, Jesus christ you people are the reason no one understands why Biden isn't responsible for inflation.
And i can't fucking believe that you know how a government works.
If you swap the people responsible for things with other people responsible for things, these new people will act differently
Is that that hard to understand?!
Btw, Biden and Inflation can't be compared here, since inflation is a complex problem that is largely out of the hands of politicians. Just look at china. It has absolute political power, fighting Inflation is a priority target, yet they still can't do it. Why? Because inflation is a Economic Problem, not a Political one. To quote you:
I can’t fucking believe I have to explain this shit
If you believe that Palestine is part of Israel, then how is it anti-semetic?
is that what i believe though?
or did you just make baseless assumptions?
It's crazy how suddenly you guys see Hamas as the good guys all of a sudden. I can tell you about all their atrocities and rapes, but I'll just get hit back with whataboutisms. Even if you point out that there are no good guys in charge in this conflict, people downvote cause they see Hamas as heroes, which is insane.
So I gotta ask, I been seeing people throw around the rapes again and it can’t possibly be the debunked nyt stuff right?
You realize this shit has been going on for like 7 decades right? Nyt debunked all of it? No they didn't
Oh you’re talking about all Hamas’ atrocities and rapes over the last 70 years.
Hamas, the organization founded in ‘87.
The Muslim brotherhood suddenly changes its name in 87 and you all think it's a whole new thing lol
The Muslim brotherhood exists presently. Right now.
So do Catholics, yet Protestants still exist!
The Protestant reformation famously was a bunch more than Martin Luther “changes [the churchs] name”.
That’s also a pretty bad comparison because both Catholics and Protestants treat each other as something different.
Even non-Christians see a significant difference.
What are you trying to say? Clearly metaphor and simile aren’t working right now…
*Hamas'