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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I'm curious whether there's anyone in this thread who is cool with, for instance, Github renaming the default branch name to "main" but thinks GIMP renaming would be woke BS.

For the record, I'm for both changes and and yes I do have a glass case where I keep my downvote collection.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

this is just stupid. like oh my god how dare they to use name thst is also tied to bdsm. it might just be me but I have never thought about the wrong gimp then talking about gnu image manipulation program. also it's an acronym that works

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

My IQ continually dropped while reading this summary and anyone that knows me would tell you that I can't afford that.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

Those points are addressed in the article. It's not an issue for a lot of people, but it's still an issue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I dislike using a slur for disabled people as the name but it's only partially why I stopped using it. Bad cross-platform support, sticking to ancient GTK versions, GNOME-fication of the upcoming 3.0 version, etc. also pushed me away.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I assume this article is about how I want to pull my hair out when trying to do anything in that program because everything feels so obtuse and weird and nothing else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Honestly, this is such a dumb argument. The creators of The GIMP acknowledge that this is a reference to a BDSM kink popularized by Pulp Fiction. Leather bondage masks are probably the first thing most people think of when they hear the word "Gimp".

Yes, it is also a relatively obscure ableist term for someone with a visible physical disability, but this was never what the creators had in mind with the name. Pretty much nobody uses this term anymore.

Just let it be. If you oppose it for being ableist you're just pretending that the name is a reference to something offensive, when it's a well understood fact that it wasn't named after the ableist term. If you oppose it for what the creators named it after, you're basically just kink shaming, and I really don't care if the program is a reference to bondage sex.

Surprisingly people don't constantly rally against LAME, the MP3 media encoder, and liblame is a massively important library for audio processing used by just about every computer in existence. This was deliberately named after the ableist term, and the 'L' in "LAME" stands for "LAME", so they could have used literal any -AME name they wanted, and kept their stupid recursive abbreviation + ironic project name that was so popular at the time (LAME stands for "LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder").

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Then don't use it.

Or fork it and remove all instances of the word. Put the pearls down, you're grinding them to dust.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

While I understand the author's frustration with the developers not giving as much weight to the (non-contributing) community, the fact is that the developers get to make the final call on this, and they get to use whatever criteria they like.

And there's no definitive answer to whether a name change would be a net positive or negative--a handful of complaints vs brand dilution is a subjective call. And for the number of users, I get the impression that it's not as big of a deal to most people as it is to the author.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Right, ultimately it's their project and they can do what they want, but it's also their loss every time some person or organization skips it because of the name.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But how many people skip it due to the name? What are the actual numbers?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

There aren't actual numbers because you can't poll for that. There's not a database somewhere that keeps track of every teacher or manager that says "ew" when someone brings up GIMP. There are some documented examples, though, some of which are listed in the article.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

You can survey users of photo editing software and ask something like:

  • have you heard of GIMP?
  • have you used GIMP?
  • if not, why? name, features, ux, etc