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For those who actually want fascism to mean something, Umberto Eco's 14 key points of Ur-Fascism are handy:

  1. "The cult of tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.

  2. "The rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.

  3. "The cult of action for action's sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.

  4. "Disagreement is treason" – fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.

  5. "Fear of difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.

  6. "Appeal to a frustrated middle class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.

  7. "Obsession with a plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society. Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.

  8. Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak". On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.

  9. "Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy" because "life is permanent warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to not build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.

  10. "Contempt for the weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate leader, who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.

  11. "Everybody is educated to become a hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."

  12. "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality".

  13. "Selective populism" – the people, conceived monolithically, have a common will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he alone dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the voice of the people".

  14. "Newspeak" – fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 3 months ago (1 children)

These kind of jokes worked better back before fascism saw a large resurgence worldwide.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, they remain very relevant, especially since fascists in particular like to abuse terms used against them in the hope of making the terms meaningless by overuse and misuse.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Example, Trump following text book definitions of fascism, while calling his opponents “fascist” with the “I’m rubber, you’re glue” technique he’s used for decades.

Although I guess this make him antifa now?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Don’t forget Schrödinger’s Immigrant: simultaneously lazy and stealing all our jobs.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

"Biden's a feeble, senile old man who has absolutely lost control of everything and he is the mastermind bringing to bear all of the levers of power against us!"

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)
  • Getting kicked off of a social media for saying the dumbest shit possible.

"THIS IS JUST LIKE THE FUCKING NAZIS! FACEBOOK JAIL IS THE WORST! YOU'D GIVE ME A GOLD STAR IF YOU COULD!"

  • Slow removal of civil liberties with bipartisan support, scapegoating queers, making anti-fascists equal to Al-Queda as a threat to the federal government, police shooting innocent civilians and getting away with it, removal of immigration and enabling easier deportation, removal of public ownership to privatized control, less and less ownership of material goods...

"This is normal, anyone would want this, commie! Sorry you hate FREEDOM."

Fucking conservatives.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

My favorite is the "BLUE LINE BLUE LIVES MATTER" types also having a tacky "COME BACK WITH A WARRANT" doormat and constantly fantasize about taking out "government thugs" who come to "take their guns".

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago
  • Police are more important than anything, you should always comply and obey
  • I don't want the government to tell me what to do

PICK ONE DIPSHITS

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Interestingly Michael Godwin, the creator of Godwin's Law (which OP's attached meme more or less references), had the following to say about Trump in 2023:

“Trump’s opening himself up to the Hitler comparison,” Godwin said in an interview. And in his view, Trump is actively seeking to evoke the parallel.

...

“You could say the ‘vermin’ remark or the ‘poisoning the blood’ remark, maybe one of them would be a coincidence,” Godwin said. “But both of them pretty much make it clear that there’s something thematic going on, and I can’t believe it’s accidental.”

I personally think Eco's 14 points pretty perfectly align with Trump/Trumpism, though I imagine those around him would tell me I'm confusing their embrace of 14 words to mean they meet the criteria laid out in the aforementioned 14 points.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Yeah, Trump is pretty clearly fascist on all points.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Here excerpt from a mostly overlooked 20 Feb, 2016 piece that chronicled his death the night before (Harper Lee's passing, also on the 19th, received more coverage by most English news orgs that day):

It was a solemn scene in Umberto Eco's Milan home the night of 19 February, 2016 as the renowned philosopher and novelist lay gasping on his deathbed. His family surrounded him, grasping the elderly intellectual's withered hands.
Lying mostly comatose for the better part of the past day, the renowned professor, philosopher, and novelist's eyes suddenly fluttered open. In a hoarse, rattling whisper, he addressed those around him. "Devo... avvertirvi tutti..."
They all leaned in closer, tears welling up in their eyes. "Sí?."
Mustering his last ounce of strength, Eco raised a trembling finger skyward. "MA LE SUE EMAIL!!!" he suddenly boomed with surprising force. "Ho scritto Ur-Fascismo per mettervi in guardia da tutto questo! State attenti!!!"
Everyone recoiled in shock and confusion as Eco's arm went limp, crashing back onto the bed. The brilliant mind had left this world with one final proclamation.
The room fell into a bewildered silence, the haunting words still hanging in the air. "Papà?" one of his children finally uttered meekly. But Umberto Eco had already passed, leaving his dumbfounded family to grapple with those jarring final words (roughly translating to): "BUT HER EMAILS!!! I wrote Ur-Fascism to warn you all of this! Beware!!!"
One by one the confused members of the family said their goodbyes and opened the door, got on the floor, everybody walk the dinosaur! open the door, get on the floor, everbody walk the dinosaur!

^^^^/s ^^^^I'm ^^^^sorrrry

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

you can also read mussolini. he says explicitly what fascism is and why. eco is not singularly authoritative on fascism, and his definition gives liberal democracies far too much leeway. modern america, and much of the rest of the developed world, is doing exactly what mussolini would have had us do.

democrats and republicans are both fascist. they don't need to be hitler to be protecting the interest and primacy of the state at the expense of the interests and power of all other institutions. in fact, having hitler as a foil serves well to protect them from accusations of fascism.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (18 children)

you can also read mussolini. he says explicitly what fascism is and why.

Cool, I actually have. Have you actually read the Doctrine of Fascism?

eco is not singularly authoritative on fascism, and his definition gives liberal democracies far too much leeway.

Yes, how horrible that a definition of fascism might have traits that exclude one of the primary ideological foes of fascism even according to fascism itself?

democrats and republicans are both fascist. they don’t need to be hitler to be protecting the interest and privacy of the state at the expense of the interests and power of all other institutions.

How positively unhinged.

in fact, having hitler as a foil serves well to protect them from accusations of fascism.

Oh yes, how horrible would it be if non-fascists used fascists as a point of comparison to prove that they aren't fascists.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

there is a cure for political illiteracy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

this guy is a grade-A brainwashee

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

liberal democracies are breeding grounds for fascism. every fascist regime has emerged from them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (10 children)

liberal democracies are breeding grounds for fascism. every fascist regime has emerged from them.

How would you characterize the right-wing of the Kuomintang under Chiang Kai-shek?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

it's not mussolini's fascism, where the state brings all other institutions in line with its interests. fascism is a specific thing. that's what the meme is about.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

it’s not mussolini’s fascism, where the state brings all other institutions in line with its interests.

Oh? In what way was the right-Kuomintang NOT seeking to bring all other institutions in line with its interests?

fascism is a specific thing. that’s what the meme is about.

Yes, and you seem to be confused about the definition of fascism, since, in the short time we've been talking, you've labeled Republicans and Democrats as fascists, but not the Kuomintang under Chiang Kai-shek.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

mussolini specifically wanted to shift away from individualism, whereas (at least in lip service) chiangs plan was to teach democracy to the Chinese. a military dictatorship does have a lot of similarity to fascism, though. I suppose I can see where, in this one case, an agrarian societies emergence from warlordism may have been fascist.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

mussolini specifically wanted to shift away from individualism, whereas (at least in lip service) chiangs plan was to teach democracy to the Chinese.

Oh, in that case I suppose we can take Mussolini's lip service about fascism actually being the purest form of democracy at its face value as well.

a military dictatorship does have a lot of similarity to fascism, though. I suppose I can see where, in this one case, an agrarian societies emergence from warlordism may have been fascist.

In which case the question arises - what kind of government is the cure for fascism, since liberal democracy is apparently right out?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

personally, I prefer anarchism. without a state, a state cannot coopt all of society.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

personally, I prefer anarchism. without a state, a state cannot coopt all of society.

That's a long discussion just waiting to be had. But if liberal democracy is fascist because it can lead to fascism, then, if your only counterproposal is anarchy, are not all modern states fascists and run by fascists?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I am not intimately familiar with the institutions in every corner of the earth, but I live in the USA, and I certainly feel that the interests of the state have subsumed all other institutions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

As someone also living in the US, I'm gonna have to disagree with that assessment.

Point is, your definition of fascism as applied to Democrats and Republicans labels all states fascist, which makes fascist a useless and redundant term for 'statist'.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

if the shoe fits...

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