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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Hey everyone,

The Fedihosting Foundation is looking for a new site-admin for Lemmy.World, to help our busy team. This moderator will help with reviewing and acting on reports, weighing in on user content, and helping foster our local communities while acting as a friendly neighbor to other fediverse instances.

You also DO NOT need to have an account on one of our FHF services but WILL have to create an account after joining. Users from other sites WELCOME!

Benefits:

You'll get to work with a great team of passionate kind, goofy individuals from all over the (lemmy) world!
We have weekly virtual hangouts where we brainstorm new ideas and catch up with each other. Community for us is not just a buzzword.
We can also provide work and personal references, as we are a registered legal non-profit.
While not a technical role, you will also gain exposure to best-in-class industry tooling and processes for large-scale hosted applications (aka modern DevOps).
We also run a small blog, that we'd love to have folks contribute to.
Join in on the editorial voice for our featured communities.
We also understand this is a hobby and that family and work come first
- If you're having a hard time finding time or are busy, we will always do our best to help and support you.

Applicants should have the following qualities:

Experience moderating a diverse group of individuals from many geographic, religious, and LGBTQ+ backgrounds.
Able to commit to at least 5-10 hours a week.
Excellent interpersonal skills and communication.
Solid background in conflict resolution.
Must be able to speak English.
Works well asynchronously with remote teams.
Grammar skills optional 😛

Bonus skills (which you will learn if you don't already)

SQL / Business Intelligence software skills.
N8N workflow automation
Web Design (Hugo + GitHub Pages).
Python scripting

Application process:

It goes without saying that we will only be considering applicants with a significant positive history of online posts and/or comments, no trolls, please.
Applicants must be okay with sitting for a video interview and must pass a basic background check.
While not strictly required, a CV with relevant work and volunteer history will help during the application process.
We are an international team that works from both North America EST time (-4) and Europe CEST (+2), so we would ask that candidates be flexible with their availability.

Please apply HERE https://forms.gle/epTdTy9Xh9kNFKsQA

(Edit: Updated post, thanks Donuts!)

(Edit2: Thanks for all the feed back on this post, it's much appreciated 💗💗💗)

(Edit3: If you feel like you'd fit in, apply, the req's that we posted are more of a suggestion, then a hard yes or no)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm not applying but I have a comment / suggestion:

A pattern I'm seeing here, in activism and open source is that you basically want the full package right now. While I understand that that is what you need, people like that don't grow on trees.

It would be good if there was a "trainee" position for people to gain the kind of experience you are asking for. And guidance, by you to make sure they learn the right lessons. Possibly including a private-ish best practices handbook or whatever. I know that that means additional work in the short term.

Thanks for reading, all the best wishes!

(Compare to linux' kernel team asking for kernel devs and the policy of "pick any topic you'd like to work on". Do I expect a fully course on everything, bringing me from "high school knowledge" to "kernel dev professional"? No, of course not. But a few book recommendations would be great. In that case. Not sure if you can learn moderation from a book.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A pattern I'm seeing here, in activism and open source is that you basically want the full package right now. While I understand that that is what you need, people like that don't grow on trees

The post-y2k bust removed a lot of our higher-paid staffers, and those were our mentors. For 2-3 generations of new coders we've been without that crucial "this is WHY it's best-practice" understanding from an experienced peer.

When you lament the loss of ready and experienced volunteers, what we lack are people who've learned at the side of truly talented people and are ready to take on some projects.

Now we have people with free time and a short history of ... Well, it's work.

What I'm saying is, there's a clear cause for the current state, for breach after breach after massive breach, and the lack of stellar volunteers.

This will get better, but - as downvotes will show - the current state is one of massive potential but little realization.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

When you lament the loss of ready and experienced volunteers, what we lack are people who’ve learned at the side of truly talented people

What I'm actually lamenting isn't the lack of experienced volunteers.

I'm lamenting the fact that the groups in need lack the awareness that nobody is teaching the stuff they need and that they should do it themselves.

E.g. https://kernelnewbies.org/ I wasn't kidding when I mentioned them. Their idea of "outreach" is to open the door and wait for people to fall in. They have no teaching material, they have no recommendations. I'm recognizing that there is something happening that is in my interest and I personally would put in the time to learn whatever is necessary to get to the level that is required to seriously touch that code. I just literally don't know where to start and have no point to connect. There is a https://kernelnewbies.org/KernelMentors mentors program. Not only is their only point of contact a mailing list, if you follow the link, you will find that the mailing list doesn't actually exist.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's not exactly uncommon for a listing to advertise the person they want, but to accept applicants with significantly less on the basis that they can get there. Nearly every job I've ever got I was not at the level advertised in something or other.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

............do you have any idea how many times I DIDN'T EVEN APPLY because they said "must have X skill", and I was like "oh.....then I better not waste everybodies time."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Excellent interpersonal skills

Oh well.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

My job didn't even require a video interview, this unpaid role has more strict requirements than half the jobs in the US haha.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

My guess is it's because it's a similar role to a Reddit Admin, which is to say they're basically a global moderator. Also, having access of any kind to the site's SQL server requires an element of trust. That's probably why they require the video interview.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Yep I wish them well but it’s a bit much for a volunteer position

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

My job didn’t even require a video interview, this unpaid role has more strict requirements than half the jobs in the US haha.

It's an IT job for a role with big responsibility. Unpaid or not, the role is the role. Filling up the shelves in a grocery store comes with a bit less responsibility.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

My job is also an IT job with big responsibility. I wouldn't have compared the 2 jobs otherwise. Not sure where you got filling grocery store shelves from.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Admins over here wanting mid level job stuff then paying diddly fucking squat...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I probably check all the boxes. Currently a cyber security engineer have worked in infrastructure for the last twenty years and currently head up the compliance team of the cyber division of the company I work for, I focused mainly on NIST, CMMC, and SOC II compliance. I’ve modded a few forums and discord servers over the last 20 or so years. There is no way in hell I’m dropping private info on a random google doc that’s open to the public. If there is a more secure way send my info send me a message.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

The Google form results go only to the management team of our parent non-profit, no one else sees the responses. If you feel that this is not secure enough, you can send a secure PGP email to our security disclosure address. We DO provide it for folks that need more security.

https://legal.lemmy.world/security/#official-channels

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Currently have CyberSecurity degree. I'm finding it difficult to get a job in the field without relevant experience of having a job in the field. How can I get experience to get the job that requires experience?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'd be happy to apply, but requiring a CV and full background check in addition to a video call interview is a bit steep for me.

Just the video call I'd absolutely be applying, I genuinely believe in Lemmy and want to see it succeed, but not to the point that I'm willing to put this much information into non-employment hands.

Good luck on the search.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

This is just Lemmy.World. You don't have to be an admin here to help out Lemmy as a whole.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I nominate FlyingSquid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh, trying to make me put in an honest day's work, huh? Okay then, just for that, I nominate BonesOfTheMoon!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm woefully under qualified but you and I keep Lemmy hopping.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I'm as unqualified as you, I'm sure. I don't fit any of the bonus skills and I have no background in conflict resolution. I apparently am a cause of conflict if anything.

Anyway, I don't think either of us is getting the gig, but I'm glad we both try to make Lemmy a better place.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Must be able to speak English

Ah, fuck, I’m out. It’s one of the only languages I haven’t learned. Were this a post seeking Sanskrit, Mayan, Akkadian, or High Valyrian language speakers, I’d be just the right candidate.

Pop quiz: which of the above is not a historical language? If you guessed Klingon, your reading comprehension skills are for shit. The answer is English. It’s completely made up and only appears in Fantasy genre stories – along with birds and flying spaghetti monsters and hobbits.

Wow, I’m really bored at work, I guess. Glad it’s Friday. Hope you all have a nice weekend.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

who asked

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

That story with the greek guy named Nobody, but they're named Who instead

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Honest question; why does this have to be a volunteer role? Is there any room in the Open Collective fund to pay towards renumerating someone for something like this?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah I REALLY doubt they could truly not afford to pay someone at least a bit for something like this. I am a former team member and I get the feeling someone or two are getting paid at least a bit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I feel like „site admin“ is a bit misleading. Then again, lemmy doesnt have a proper distinction between local and site wide moderators afaik.

I‘d be interested to help with real admin stuff like docker containers, dns and firewalls. Let me know if that interests you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If a potential candidate doesn't understand why there's a strong vetting process then then don't understand the changing paradigm of human communication. Teaching that is an unacceptable liability. The OpSec is on point. Great work. And, thank you for everything, including tolerance of those that don't yet understand why.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

You don't get people with 5 years of experience if no one is willing to give you experience.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I've been pushing positivity since the beginning before the first 1.5k joined this server. https://lemmy.world/post/36032

I would do it, and have the time, but I don't think you guys meet my requirements to make it manageable. I don't use proprietary software, and use a whitelist firewall with addresses I know and trust, like this server. While I can spin up a secondary network or even a Windows machine, I do not care to do so at all, and certainly not regularly. However, I'm basically at a computer all the time anyways.

What's up with the haters? Me, or something I said?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I miss the piracy communities. The recent changes have pushed me back to reddit. Do with that what you will.

Edit: point taken, don't criticize instances or their moderators for anything they do unless you want to be crucified. They are above the law, their decisions to be made without criticism. Thanks for the lesson, assholes, you're really selling the return to reddit hard right now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why not just make an account on a different instance?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Yeah, every time the mods get power hungry just migrate all your subscriptions. Super easy. Better hope the next instance isn't also blocking some of your communities.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Seems easier than going back to Reddit. Especially since the apps make it so easy to switch between accounts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Oh please. Power hungry? I have no problem with piracy, but you bet your ass I wouldn't want the legal liability of hosting a piracy community. Do you know that in many countries, mods/admins are risking jail time when they participate in stuff like that? God forbid, some people don't want to have to worry about going to jail. Get over yourself. There are plenty of other piracy communities all over the internet you can find on your own.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I literally said it pushed me back to reddit? I'm just not going to do the manual work of migrating to a new instance every time the current one's mods get rid of a community I'm interested in, simple as that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is like telling your neighbor that you like pie, and after work, and after the kids are put to bed, they spend the night baking you a pie using the apples that grow in their yard.

When they come over with the warm pie that they went out of their way to bake, you say that you prefer cherry pie, then complain about having to go to the same old bakery to get a cherry pie.

Just say thank you, take the pie, and give it to someone who will appreciate it. And if you want cherry pie, offer to help out when they bake next and bring some damn cherries.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

When instances get big, it gets really hard for volunteer admins to manage communities with controversial content. You end up having to deal with legal BS and lots of reports.

Admins and mods putting restrictions in place has more to do with keeping the community maintainable. Dealing with all of that stuff is tough when it’s after work and out of your own pocket.

I wish folks had a little bit more empathy for people volunteering their time and money to offer a free service. Lemmy.world’s head admin isn’t Zuck. He’s just a regular Joe Shmoe doing this in his free time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

These are volunteers, that have day jobs, that have to spend their own time and money to deal with the legal ramifications of that. These aren’t people with legal teams and millions to blow on risk mitigation. These are hobbyists doing this after work, after helping the kids with homework, after cooking dinner for the family, etc.

Good news is that other instances exist. This is just what one group of volunteers is offering to the world.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

People are down voting you when you are just expressing a feeling. I don't think that's right, but I hope you stay for the other great content on Lemmy and only go to Reddit for the missing stuff.