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In 4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!) and its cross-posts, quite a few people said things like "maybe racism is a problem on Mastodon, but I don't see it on Lemmy." Of course, plenty of comments in the various threads were in fact examples of racism on Lemmy, so one takeaway is that at lot of people don't see racism even when they're looking at it. And helpful commenters pointed out some of the other patterns of racism on Lemmy. ... but that wasn't really the thrust of that discussion.

So I wanted to ask more generally, what are some of the examples you've seen of racism on Lemmy? Quotes and links are great, but also feel free just to describe examples or call out more general patterns!

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There used to be Wolfballs, a right-wing Lemmy instance. I didn't browse much but there was definitely ample racism there.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If I remember correctly, the admin (a US Lolbertarian) finally closed it down, among other reasons, when they realized the resident nazis there were not just joking to troll da libs and actually believed the things they were saying about 'jewish shapeshifters'. They wanted a free speech haven, and so they got the people we collectively told to shut up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I did not see any racist comments for quite some time. But xenophobic comments were common on threads about Ukraine’s invasion.

The anti-French sentiment is also present here like in the whole English speaking web.

The French aren’t known for their hygiene so I am not surprised their river is filthy

From a post about an olympic triathlete who got sick: https://lemmy.ml/post/18887659

In Belgium: Tartare or Mayo. Andalouse for the gal, thanks In the UK: Salt and Vinegar In both cases: I will have to change seat if you plop yourself in front of me with your poor fries inundated by ketchup. Only the French do that, and it is a Casus Belli in my book.

From a post about dipping fries: https://lemmy.ml/post/18963222

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But xenophobic comments were common on threads about Ukraine’s invasion.

As in "fuck the Russians"? Because I feel that hating Russia is somewhat less based on prejudice than your other examples, and somewhat more on recent real world examples.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There were xenophobic comments towards Russians, Ukrainians and Americans in these posts.

Also, I don't think people should insult the people of a country when they criticize its government.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Most people cannot see lemmygrad

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Thats on them

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

.world censors left-wing instances

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Lemmygrad is infamous for hosting hate speech.

Being too left wing is not why Grad was deplatformed by everyone outside of the Marxist-Leninist circles.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So infamous that you can't link a single example

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sorry I haven’t visited a hate site recently, you can wade through it if you’re really curious.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/4500234

Does this qualify? I did not follow anything on lemmygrad, only the pigeon community, but i don't anymore so this is all i could think of.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Racist against germans? Really?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I did not say it was racist. The definition of hate speech i read up included national origin as a target, but i guess there is no clear cut definition.

My personal scale says that i don't want to hang out in a group where people say stuff like that and being upvoted for it, even if it is against germans.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

You got something against empty sets there buddy?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lemmy.world nor any other instance on the fedi can remove content on another instance without the consent of federation, even then those actions can be undone by the site admin.

.world defederating from you doesn’t mean censorship. People disagreeing with your opinion and opting not to see it is not censorship.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's the literal definition of censorship.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's defederated from .world, the largest Lemmy instance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Sounds like a .worlder problem

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

who mentioned a problem?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The whole point of the fediverse is that it's distributed. There's gonna be bigots. But they can be blocked, their instances can ban them, and then they can make their own instances which other instances can then defederate. That's working as designed. In a perfect world, the bigoted instances will be a disconnected graph from the network of other instances.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I am sure there are instances I have forgotten, there is definitely a certain amount of bigotry, it's not hard to find classism, sexism, and ableism as usual for the internet and I am sure I have come across racism too but I don't remember any specifics.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

.world users every time they see a palestinian

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Assuming you are from the USA what are your options really?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

One option is to follow the lead of pro-Palestinian orgs working to end the genocide. You have more power than any other global citizen believe it or not.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Try checking out the comment section on pretty much any post mentoning Islam.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not black so I am sure I am not sensitive enough to it, but I don't think I've ever seen any racism on here. On a slightly related note have experienced transphobia only two or three times in over a year, and they were quickly banned. I imagine it works the same way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"I'm not black but". More than black folks experience racism, but at least it wasn't "As a color blind white man"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It would be more helpful if you gave an example of the proper way of addressing the issue.

Thanks for the adrenaline spike.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"person of color" or POC is the broad category of people who aren't white.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

πŸ€” Sounds wrong to me

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Possibly because "colored" is and has been used as a slur? That was the connection my brain made when I first heard it and put me off, but many POCs use the term POC comfortably, so...?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well, I am not from the US so I don't have that connotation. It's more that it puts it relative to white people. And white people also get discriminated, so it isn't an inclusive term.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They do for sure. I didn't say POC is shorthand for "people who are discriminated against", just "people who aren't white".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah it sounds more like a US term. Let's just stick to racism?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Those are totally different words with different meanings.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Never seen racism on Lemmy tbh most ppl are normal here. Its almost as if its against .ml tos... And they would defed from instances that don't have the same mindset.

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