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Previously on Lemmy: Sony

Past Discussions:

I thought we should restart the brand discussion with something more popular to give this community relaunch a bit more oomph. So, Samsung it is.

I've never really used a Samsung phone much before, despite them being so popular in the States. Have friends who used them, they usually look nice and high quality, and the Galaxy S Active are the only high-end phones I know that doesn't shatter when you look at them wrong without a case, so, props to Samsung.

There are may reasons I don't like Samsung phones: Hardware fuse disabling Knox on bootloader unlock, Exynos vs Snapdragon models, the mandatory Bixby button, the Galaxy Note 7 that really blew up. To me, Samsung phones are trying so hard to go against what makes Android good, which is the customizability to do whatever you wanted. Android is everything; Samsung is just Samsung.

Personally, I think Samsung is only worth buying at the very high end for the Galaxy S series. I've heard that A series have gotten better, but there always seems to be better choices from Moto/Pixel/Chinese brands on Amazon that it's not worth considering their low tier offering.

What should we do next week? I'm thinking Microsoft, just to make fun of them for the very idea of making a Surface Duo 2.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Hardware great, software garbage. They really want to be like Apple but aren't even half as competent (which is more an insult to Samsung than praise to Apple). It comes bloated with all kind of garbage alot of which you can't uninstall (like Facebook). They have their own app store next to the Google Store which is annoying. It has no reason to be there other than distributing their shitty apps that I don't want in the first place.

I currently have an S21 and can't wait to have the spare income to replace it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Bold of them to assume people who buy expensive Android phones still use Facebook in 2023.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Facebook does not come on their unlocked phones. I've set up my S8 and S23, as well as Note 9 and Note 22 for family and none of them came with bloatware aside from Samsung's apps. However I got a used Galaxy tablet on AT&T and it had so much crap on it. At least it's removable using ADB.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It does however include meta services, meta app manager, and meta app installer which you have to either disable after enabling view of system apps or use adb to remove it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Fun fact, the Meta installer is a system app so it can quietly install (also system) stuff without your knowledge.

Also, having seen what extensive spying a regular Facebook app does (when it's a non-system app!) I wouldn't touch a Samsung phone without root with a ten foot pole.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I bought a Samsung phone years ago and had to return it. I remember feeling really conflicted when I decided to return it. Hardware wise it was the best there was at the time and the phone itself looked beautiful. On paper it was a monster. Yet it dropped frames like crazy and stuttered doing the most basic tasks. I just couldn't justify spending that much money for a mediocre experience. Such a pity.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Samsung phones have great hardware, but all the Samsung bloatware ruins the phone. Good if you can get one with only stock android

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The only good thing about Samsung's software is Dex which unfortunately has no decent replacement.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Samsung has great hardware but my OG galaxy S2 was peak Samsung for me. I still love their build quality but I don't like curved screens, lack of sd slots and 3.5mm jack and so on. Neither do I want all the Samsung social etc. apps.

If Samsung made a clean phone like the pixel with their build quality, that would be a game changer.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It would be interesting for the users but it would also undermine Samsung's position in their war with Google.

The reason Samsung duplicates all the apps etc. is so that they keep Google at arm's length. Google controls their manufacturers with tightly controlled deals for the Android trademark and access to the Play Store and Services Framework. By duplicating those and the app ecosystem, Samsung is saying "we won't be so easy to get rid of".

Granted, Samsung is also the largest Android manufacturer, so all out war would probably mean the fracture of the entire Android landscape.

I've once read a comparison between the income percentage that Android represents for Samsung and Google respectively and I seem to recall it would damage Google more than Samsung. But it was years ago so that might have changed, and also the Google side analysis involved guesswork about the impact on their ad and data collection business.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I don't mind the phone/contacts/dialer etc. They seem pretty functional most of the time. I hate my phone being loaded with AR Emoji, Samsung sync and a bunch of other stuff that should either be opt in or allowed to be uninstalled.

What pisses me off even more is that despite all this junk, they can't be arsed to develop a proper audio player or Equalizer.

Whatever their position is, I paid more than a reasonable amount of money for this phone and I should be able to use it how I want to. I appreciate the fact that I can install graphene or calyxos on my pixel 5a and resign the bootloader while you can't touch a single thing without tripping Knox on my note 9.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Woah... i learned something new today

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Samsung phones are the worst android phones you can buy, except for all the others.

As frustrating as Samsung is, I always find myself going back to them. Displays, build quality, cameras, performance, storage capacity, speakers, software features (Dex!), they're just ahead of the curve across the board.

The only legitimate advantage of Chinese phones is the super fast charging, but I'm in the better safe than sorry camp on that one.

I've had the Fold 3 and now Fold 4, and I really don't see myself getting anything other than a Fold 6 down the line, unless something major changes.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I bought a Samsung because it was the only device with a headphone jack and removable battery. I have zero brand loyality - I just go with whoever makes the best device

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Hardware:

They make high-quality hardware and I like that they’re trying to do something new and interesting with foldable tech, but I’ve never been a fan of their Exynos processors and foldables (imo) have proven to be little more than a gimmick that sacrifices far too much on durability for minimal benefit to most people.

Software:

I hate bloatware, and I’m not a fan of their crusade against open bootloaders.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Mixed opinions.

Things I like about Samsung:

  • Feature-rich hardware and software
  • 4 years of OS updates compared to 3 by Google
  • S Pen in Note/Ultra
  • Foldables
  • Keeping Android tablets and Android-compatible smartwatches alive when Google abandoned them. Huge props for that.

Things I dislike:

  • Making fun of Apple and then doing the exact same things they did: removing the headphone jack, display notch, removing the charger in the box.
    • They even got rid of expandable storage in the S series despite being a major manufacturer of micro SDs.
  • Samsung's software is notorious for being slow, generally inferior compared to Google's and not the most well-designed out there.
    • I tried both the Galaxy A52 and a Pixel 6a at Best Buy. The A52 was lagging. I bought the 6a.
  • They're edging towards anti-repair.
  • Certain Samsung smartwatch features only work if you have a Samsung phone.
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

As someone who exclusively used Samsung flagships as their daily driver (GS2 > Note 4 > Note 8 > Note 20 Ultra), I was a Samsung absolutist and fanboy. But their decisions since the N20U has been frustrating, and has had me eyeing other brands for the first time.

To start about what I love about them: fantastic hardware with solid software. I don't mind their excessive features, because they become so useful, Android/Google adds them to stock 2-3 years later. So it's like a decent beta test for some awesome utilities, like saying "smile" to take a photo with the camera when you can't reach the shutter button. I think several phones now offer this.

What has me eyeing something else for my next phone: shitting on their hardcore power users and greedily taking away options. The removal of the SD card (critical for my usage), the dilution of their features across different models (base, plus, ultra), removing the magstripe, etc. are all anti-consumer with NO benefit to their customers. Even if your typical customer doesn't use a specific feature, it strips the option away from those who do, and it's not like the savings go towards the consumer. If not for these decisions (among other, smaller infractions), I wouldn't be contemplating other brands.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm going to jump to Samsung's defense here as I think your anti-consumer belief is misguided:

  • the SD card has been drifting away from most Android phones for the core reason of reliability. Data stored on SD cards is not at reliable and when apps are forced to run off the SD card, there are side effects and crashes which are nightmares for devs. When a non brand SD card loses a user's data, the user blamed the phone manufacturer, which is akin to putting the wrong fuel in your car and then blaming the car manufacturer that your car won't go.
  • mag-stripe. Considering they are a Korean company, I don't blame them for dropping a complex feature used by a select few in the US. Because the US is the only country left that thinks the ancient technology of the magnetic stripe is still a good medium for the transfer of your bank details. Contact-less paymemt is now pretty much standard everywhere else and is so much more secure and standardised. The range and reliability of the contact-less payment has increased massively for me on the S23 in comparison to the S20 which was also lumbered with magstipe support.
  • dilution of features? Again, why should it be more complicated? A larger phone can incorporate more lenses, screen and battery, but the core features and benefits should be the same to make the choice simpler for the consumer. Advertising of the range is simpler also.

Each to their own but these are just my views based on 11 years in the mobile phone retail business.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I respectfully disagree, and I know this is a hot button topic. But isn't the fact that it IS a controversial topic that has trawled for 3+ years on various tech forums not evidence that it's a popular enough feature(s) to warrant consideration?

SD Card: If companies are so afraid of liability, they could simply have an initial warning dialogue about potential hardware failures. Why cripple a portion of your userbase because of the fault of others? I know it's anecdotal, but I have used 9 SD cards across various devices (including my current N20U and Tab S8 Ultra) without ever encountering an issue. I also back up my data as is proper data management. And just as the car company in your example would say to the idiot who filled it up with the wrong gas, they would refer them to the user manual (warning dialogue in this case), and dust their hands of the matter. And let's be honest, this is just a blatant cash grab to force customers to buy the larger storage sizes.

Mag-Stripe: There are still more shops that don't have the standard contactless payment where I live than there are that do. And I'm in Southern CA. Big box stores are not an issue, but the mom and pop shops that I frequent don't have it set up. I'm sure this is an issue that will eventually be solved, but it's just frustrating that the option was taken away from us.

Dilution of Features: Samsung already makes a huge range of phones. From $120 semi-disposable ones to $2K Folds. The consumer is confused enough. From A series, J, S, M, Fold, and Flip, every price is covered. And yet, what's the flagship (mainstream) phone? The S23U? For $1400, you get an extra camera compared to the S23+. You get a larger screen - which used to be the Note's job - plus another camera from the base 23. That $400-600 difference adds up to 1 camera (plus some sensors) and a larger screen and battery. Point being, the reason why I gravitated to the Note series before was because of all the jammed packed features in a single phone. I didn't have to decide if I wanted to feel FOMO for saving $400 and losing an extra camera. What I paid was what I got, and I knew I got the most bang for my buck.

I know this is controversial, but this is the hill I'm dying on. Samsung's reputation was built on "everything but the kitchen sink" when they were competing with LG, HTC, etc. Now? They're a naming convention from Pro and Pro Max away from another lawsuit with Apple. Who, by the way, brought SD cards back onto their flagship laptop series!

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As for the SD cards, I've never over the 10+ years of using smartphones have had data lost on an SD card (and I've used some cheap and sketchy SD cards). The one exception is a Samsung SD card that after being retired from the phone, reformatted and sitting in a drawer for a year refused to being recognized on my PC when I checked my old cards to see what's what and who's where.

I'd rather trash my replaceable SD card with writes from the camera, downloads, streaming cache etc than the non-replaceable eMMC memory. It's cheaper and less environmentally damaging to replace a failed 30€ SD card than to replace the whole phone (or the motherboard) because of the failed eMMC.

These days I use high-endurance SD cards that are designed to be used in eg dash cams, action cameras etc under constant writes and should be really safe for storage in a phone. And all my photos/videos are synced to my NAS via Syncthing in realtime, anyway (over Tailscale VPN or Syncthing relays).

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because of the bloat and their Knox bullshit making it difficult to impossible to remove said bloat with a custom ROM, I will not touch a Samsung phone.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Good photos and the battery lasts quite a while too compared to my other phones I've had.

Overall it's great hardware with good photos and terrible software for me. I'll probably never buy it on a phone again because they're evolving in the way I'd rather not have them evolve.

They have their own unremovable:

  • contacts
  • calendar
  • browser
  • phone
  • messages
  • app store

Makes me feel like they're stealing all my info if I would use it. Besides a Google account they also want you to use a Samsung account which ( honestly ) makes the whole phone more confusing ( especially to older people like my parents ).

But yeah. Good photos and great battery life. I've got no real complaints of the tab s5 tablet which I use when travelling and streaming shows to the tv otherwise. Though I'd have to see if the newer tablets are as much of a dumpster fire software wise like their phones.

Side note: I even had somebody come up to me with their phone "because I work in IT". The default setting of a Samsung phone was to have the lock button activate bigsby rather than lock the phone. There's a setting somewhere to change that. But it definitely felt agressive pushing of bigsby that nobody ( at least around here ) uses/wants to use... Maybe it's different in other countries?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Flagship has no headphone jack or even micro SD card. Absolute joke.

If they had those I would strongly consider buying. I was an LG person until they stopped making phones.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I still have my S21 and I <3 it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Flip 4 and getting a Flip 5 for my wife when it comes out. I find the Galaxy like to be the best thing out there unless you are hardcore about running a privacy OS. I'm too lazy and old for that anymore

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know about cheap Samsung phones, but their flagships are excellent. I'm pretty happy with mine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The best samsung phones are the 2 year old used flagship phones. All the power, features and longevity without the high sticker price. S21 Ultra is amazing at a fraction of the cost of new.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Good hardware due to samsung producing most of its conponents directly, held back by samsungs fabs with exynos.

Other than that, dont use them because of bloat (devices I've used had a fairly light or almost aosp experience)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Samsung is a shit company and nobody should ever buy anything from them. Phones, TVs, appliances, it doesn't matter -- it's all either pre-infested with ads and malware or sabotaged with planned obsolescence.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

You and I must have ad the same Samsung experience.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I recently bought an S23 after owning 2 pixels and a nexus. So far, I'm loving the experience much more, funny enough because of the things people call bloatware. Maybe it's because I play lots of games.

The sidebar shortcuts a super useful, the lockscreen customizations remind me of old android before google went all apple, and dex is great for multitasking.

The only thing that's a bit annoying is bixby, but i simply installed google assistant alongside it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Crap phones that don't last, bad UI, filled with bloat and ads, don't play nice with the other Android kids, and steal their homework.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I will only purchase a Samsung again when they let me unlock the damn bootloader

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No bootloader unlocking no buy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Well, technically they do, but it removes so much functionality it's not really worth it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I hated Samsung phones when I had them ~2019 because of One UI being so far behind Android as well as me getting constantly badgered to create a Samsung account to use the Samsung store so I can upgrade the built-in photo editor even though I never had any reason to do so.

I didn't see any reason to complain about the hardware One UI ran on, though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Great hardware, especially as far as the screens. Questionable software environment. Last I had one, there were duplicates of most Google apps in inferior Samsung form, which was really useless, and they couldn’t be deleted (I think). While the display was s beautiful, another thing I didn’t like was I had one of the ones with curved glass on the sides, a Galaxy S9, which looked cool, was useless, and it ended up getting cracked on the side, so it was useless and fragile.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Their foldables are so damn fragile. My sister's Flip 4 was busted after a fall with a case while my Fold 4 had the black line of death not too soon after the screen protector on the inner screen started popping off.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My current phone is a Samsung and it is the first Samsung phone I have owned and maybe the last. I had previously only owned Motorola phones and absolutely loved them. The Samsung is a perfectly capable phone with (when new) top tier components for its class. The build quality is very good and the screen, of course, is gorgeous. But it's a boring device.

I loved all the extra little touches that Motorola gave me. They didn't change the OS too much, but just enough and the phones were better for it. With Samsung, it's the opposite. The changes are all for the worse. But let me be perfectly clear here, it is still a great phone for the masses, it's just boring.

I consider the Galaxy S line of phones is like the Toyota Camry. Good, reliable. Will do exactly what you need it to do, but don't expect to fall in love with it. It's a well engineered appliance aimed at the general public.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One advantage of Samsung over most manufacturers (including Motorola) is that they use standard USB PD 3.0 charging while motorola has their own Turbopower charging, Oneplus has Warp charging etc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

TurboPower follows USB-PD spec. Warp charging doesn't.

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