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[–] [email protected] 98 points 1 year ago (7 children)

It's perplexing how a nation that once liberated the world from fascism is now becoming fascist and triggering fascist movements worldwide.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Note that prior to getting involved in the war, there was substantial support for the Nazis among Americans. It's always been there. It just got swept under the carpet for a few decades, though if you go back and look at the politics of the fifties, you'll see mcarthyism and all sort of court cases on indecency and lots and lots of violence against homosexuals.

I don't think I spelled mcarthyism correctly. It's early and I'm not inclined to bother spell checking.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It should also be noted that Adolf Hitler based some of his ideology off of the proto-fascism of pre-Civil War America (and the deep racial inequalities which persisted afterwards), and praised it his book Mein Kamph.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I'm absolutely not perplexed by American fascism in the slightest.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think we can also show we didn't do what people think what we did when we look at things on a time line.

WW2 ended in 1945.

Emmett Till was murdered in 55. 10 years later. Ruby Bridges went to what was an all white school in 1960. That was 15 years later. The Civil Rights Act happened in 1964. 19 years later. The MOVE Bombing happened in 85. 40 years later.

The Stonewall Riots happened in 69. 24 years later. The UpStairs Lounge Arson attack happened in 73. Which was 28 years later. Harvey Milk was assassinated in 78. 33 years later. The Shelby bookstore murders happened in 87. So 42 years after.

We can sit here and list different events all day that happened after the war. We were the good guys off fighting evil, and those soldiers would totally hate the bigotry we see today... Except there's a good chance that tbe vast majority of them weren't any better. Even the black soldiers still weren't allowed to fight with the white ones. We were fighting fascism over there while it was still happening over here.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

McCarthyism, close enough lol

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Stopping fascism wasn't the point. After liberating the camps, they even threw the homosexuals right back in. (Source)

They were just worried that the USSR was going to beat them to Berlin, and then keep going across the entirety of Europe. Likely a valid concern, to be fair.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

a nation that once liberated the world from fascism

It's gross how USAins keep parroting this nationalistic bullshit about their role in ww2.

You guys didn't liberate anything by showing up late for the war, and you tried your damnedest to spread your abhorrent racism in every country you landed in.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Yeah, nah. You had it right up until we didnt help liberate anything. France seemed pretty appreciative of our help then and now. Not arguing the "abhorrent racism" par it is true and we're continually working on it. Generational issues don't get solved overnight.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

As a person of Dutch descent who is alive today because US GIs liberated a concentration camp right before my grandmother starved to death, this is extremely offensive, and you can go fuck yourself with your puerile contrarianism.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Shutting down a few concentration camps is not 'liberating the world from fascism'.

My grandparents and their families were in the camps too, and most didn't come out alive. I'm not detracting from the atrocities of ww2 by telling the American to stop spouting propaganda.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

While a romantic prose, I wouldn't go saying they liberated the world of anything like that until it was almost too late.

But when they finally did fight, fuck yeah, they fought.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Its perplexing how Anglo people keep trying to rewrite history about the eradication of Nazism. Russia and China suffered a combined total of over 50 million deaths to eradicate Nazism, only for the leftover Nazis to evacuate to USA under the Operation Paperclip, and some remaining within Europe, going on to...

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I love it, objected to by "Moms for Liberty". I guess that works in fascist land where words mean the opposite of what they are.
And leave it to one of these bullshit 'Liberty' or 'Patriot' organizations to completely distract from the point that Anne Frank was a teenage girl growing up in an attic, hiding from an insanely hateful political group/police who wanted to kill her and her entire family.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (7 children)

"Moms for Liberty" is a straight up hate group. Like, I'm not doing that hyperbole thing. They are racist bigot fascists dead set on white, straight supremacy.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I should build a special little bookshelf with books banned by moms for liberty just for my kids.

Edit: talked to my SO, we're going to do a Little Free Library of them

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Liberty" and "Patriot" are just euphamisms for radical theocratic terrorists.

And that's why Abrahamic religions must be banned

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every teacher in that school should read that book to their class in protest.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They'd fire every single teacher. These are Republicans - they don't want kids getting good educations cause your average educated person doesn't vote Republican

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

They specifically don’t want good sex educate, because that teaches about consent, instead of ownership

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The graphic novel, written by Ari Folman and illustrated by David Polonsky, adapts the diary of 13-year-old Anne Frank, who wrote while hiding in an annexe in Nazi-occupied Amsterdam. Eighth-grade students were reportedly shown a section of the graphic novel where Frank reflected on her own genitals and wanted to see a female friend’s breasts, according to KFDM.

So basically exactly like all of the 13 yr olds in the class, who are probably taught at home how their body parts are shameful.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Were they specifically shown just that part? Or was it part of reading the entire thing? I could see how the first scenario would be a bit odd and would like more context but if it's just in the book they were reading then this article is kind of misleading.

Also agree with you that this is totally normal thing for 8th graders to think about... the book was written by someone their own age for fucks sake.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

From an interview with David Polonsky, the illustrator:

In illustrating those more sensitive pages, Polonsky says he took great care to make sure nothing was too explicit for young readers.

Frank's musings about vaginas are illustrated with a black and white swirl, inspired by painter Georgia O'Keefe's famously vaginal flowers, he said. When Frank ponders female nudes, Polonsky draws her walking through a garden surrounded by Greek sculptures.

"I took inspiration from Anne's own world. She was really into Greek art and sculptures," he said. "I decided to show the nudes through classical marble sculptures, which I believed six years ago would be a mainstream thing that wouldn't be too controversial."

The illustrations from the book.

Georgia O'Keefe's famously vaginal flowers

This book was out for six years before it became a "problem". Real "someone think of the poor children" bullshit moral panic that is thinly disguising its fascism.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So when will all the 2A chads in Texas show up to fight against government tyranny?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

People really need to harp on about this more. It's become the hardest argument for gun control to refute.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“This book adapted explicitly from writings at the time doesn’t depict the Holocaust accurately” fucking batshit

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Moms for Liberty are just mad that the book doesn't portray the nazis as the good guys like their newsletter does.

They never have a problem with Mein Kampf.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Dutch "Avondshow met Arjen Lubach" did a funny piece on this. A lot of people are laughing at the US, or it ultra-conservative parts at least, but it's a bit sad that's it's so bad, to be honest.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is why I'll never tolerate people saying I'm exaderating when I call them Nazis ever again

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm having problems parsing this sentence

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Aside from that the sentence is a bit garden pathy

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

If I wasn't an American I would find the back and forth idiocy of Texas and Florida hilarious. I mean, one does some crazy stupid shit and they other says hold my beer.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

LOL, tell me II have to check if a book is approve before talking about it and it and I will resign on spot. I'm dead serious. Conservatives seem to see in schools ans teachers the new enemy. Teaching is an already shitty under-paid job, I suggest they stop pushing against people who take care of their spoiled stupid kids 40 hours a week, unless they want to take care of education themself.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

unless they want to take care of education themself.

Oh, they do. That's part of the problem.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Heaven forbid we see the thoughts of a normal kid growing up in a war that she wouldn't see the end of.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I can’t imagine why anyone would want to teach in a red state (or county, etc.) The pay is shit, you always have to think twice before even alluding to an unpopular truth, and every day you risk becoming a headline.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Because you are rooted there, you care about the people around you, and you want to improve things in your community. Not everyone is willing to just give up and leave their community to fascists.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember going to the Holocaust museum in 8th grade. How times have changed.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Glad I read the article. She wasn't fired for showing the book to hers students. She was fired for showing an unapproved book (which I then assume is not in the 8th grade curriculum) to her students. Teaching outside the curriculum is generally a big no no.

The question should be, why is that book not approved? That's a rhetorical question btw.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Despite claims by school officials that the adaptation had not been approved, KFDM notes that the book “was on a reading list sent to parents at the start of the school year,” so the district’s suggestion that the teacher “went rogue” seems…not true at all in the, y’know, actual sense of the word. A source close to the teacher told KFDM that the school’s principal had approved a syllabus that included the book. “There is an active investigation,” Mike Canizales, a spokesperson for the Hamshire-Fannett ISD, told the outlet.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/09/texas-school-fires-teacher-over-anne-frank-graphic-novel

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