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Fired Tesla Employee Posts New Video of Full Self-Driving Running Red Light (jalopnik.com)
submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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cross-posted from: https://derp.foo/post/81940

There is a discussion on Hacker News, but feel free to comment here as well.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We need to build special roads so self driving cars can navigate properly.

You could even connect self driving cars together, by letting the front car pull them the others could save their batteries.

And with these "trains" of self driving cars pulling each other, you wouldn't have to build the self driving car roads very wide, they could just run on narrow "tracks" for the wheels.

Then we'd have more space for human stuff instead of car stuff like roads and parking lots everywhere.

He's done it again. Elon Musk is a god damn genius.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Would you consider to also make an underground version?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

We could call it a subway. Since it's underground.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Why not rebrand subways as the 𝕏-loop and convince Musk it was his idea. Then he can beg billions in funding for them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This reminded me so much of this !

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Adam something now making videos for the new York times? Good for him.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It is amazing how copos try to reinvent shittier versions of trains.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Double the fine for 'self-driving' traffic violations and bill the manufacturer for half.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Bill the manufacturer 100%, IMO. Thats why I think self driving cars beg an unanswerable legal question, as when the car drives for you, why would you be at fault? How will businesses survive if they have to take full accountability for accidents caused by self-driving cars?

I think its almost always pointless to hold back innovation, but in this case I think a full ban on self driving cars would be a great move.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm pretty sure there are autonomous cars driving around San Francisco, and have been for some time.

EDIT: Here's an uplifting story about San Francisco-ians(?) interacting with the self-driving cars.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The most basic driving like long stretches of highway shouldn't be banned from using AI/automated driving. The fast paced inner city driving should be augmented but not fully automatic. Same goes for driving in inclement weather: augmented with hard limits on speed and automated braking for anything that could result in a crash

Edit: I meant this statement as referring to the technology in it's current consumer form (what is available to the public right at this moment). I fully expect that as the technology matures so will the percentage of incidents decline. We are likely to attain a largely driverless society one day in my lifetime

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Self driving with driver assist" or whatever they call it when it isn't 100% automated is basically super fancy cruise control and should be treated as such. The main problem with the term autopilot is that for airplanes it means 100% control and very misleading when used for fancy cruise control in cars.

I agree that it should be limited in use to highways and other open roads, like when cruise control should be used. People using cruise control in the city without being in control to brake is the same basic issue.

Not 100% fully automated with no expectation of driver involvement should be allowed when it has surpassed regular drivers. To be honest, we might even be there with how terrible human drivers are...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Autopilot systems on airplanes make fewer claims about autonomous operation than Tesla. No pilot relies completely on autopilot functionality.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Autopilot in aircraft is actually kinda comparable, it still needs a skilled human operator to set it up and monitor it (and other flight controls) all of the time. And in most modes it's not even really all that autonomous - at most it follows a pre-programmed route.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Its why im all for automated trucking. Truck drivers is a dwindling source and living the lifestyle of a cross country truck driver isnt highly sought after job. The self driving should do the large trip from hub to hub, and each hub ahould do the last few miles. Keeps drivers local and fixes a problem that is only going to get worse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Long stretches of highway are good unless there is a stopped emergency vehicle.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That would be the augmented part and the AI. ANYTHING that presents a potential hazard already takes a vehicle out of automated driving in most models, because after a few Teslas didn't stop people started suing

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The responsible party should be the owner of the vehicle, not the manufacturer or passenger. If a company runs an automated ride share service, for example, that company should be liable. Likewise if you own a car and use the self-driving feature, you are at fault it it goes wrong, so you should use it at your own risk.

That said, for the owner to be truly responsible, they need ownership of the self-driving code, as well as diagnostics for them to be able to monitor it. If they don't have that, do they truly own the car?

That said, there's nothing stopping a manufacturer or dealer from making a deal to cover self-driving fines.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well exactly, I see no way that all the self driving source code will be FOSS (I don't think corporations would ever willingly sign onto this). So the responsible party in the case of a malfunction should therefore be the company, because in a full self driving setup the occupant is not controlling the vehicle, and has no reasonable way to ensure the safety of the code.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Which is why it should be dual responsibility. The owner of the vehicle chose to use the feature, so they have responsibility. If it malfunctions when the driver was following the instructions, the manufacturer has responsibility. Both are culpable, so they should share responsibility.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah. Give tesla the same number of points everyone else gets on their license. If the company runs out, no more cars controlled by tesla on the roads..

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

We already had that in the 70s and 80s. Those were RoRo trains.

You put your car on a drive on ramp. Go into the comfy cabin, maybe even a sleeper cabin for over night journeys. Get out at the other end, drive your car down the carrier and explore the area that you've journeyed to with the vehicle that you own. Look up the 89s ABC film about the Ghan railway closing down.

I live in Australia and love seeing the distant from my home centre of tue country. Unfortunately long distance trains here have become a lifestyle luxury experience rather than transportation. Same goes for bicycles amd motorcycles.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

JFC that's frightening. It blew that red at about 30mph, didn't even really slow down except for the curve.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Because the car didn't recognize it as a red light, probably due to all the green lights that were facing a similar direction.

The issue is not the speed at which it took the turn, but that it cannot distinguish which traffic lights are for the lane the car is in.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then why have I been forced to do all those ReCaptchas?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's for Google's cars, not Tesla's. Why would companies share safety-related data?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Man hackernews is full of people criticizing the poster saying that he should have disengaged the system so it learns completely missing the point that FSD should not be considered safe.

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