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I don't mean the recent selling API rights at absurd costs but when they went from open sourcish to closed.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago

The original creators can sure try, but since Lemmy is ACTUALLY open source, the community can just fork the source, call it "the-good-lemmy" or whatever, and devote our time & resources to it instead of using the bullshit version

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If they go close source, other people will take the last version of the code and build on it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm assumimg the same didn't happen with reddit bc it was not federated. That right?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Was Reddit ever open source?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yup. Not a lot of people remember this but it also used to be written in LISP.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I'm pretty sure it was for a few years. Stopped in 2008 as far as i know

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

Our values are completely different from big tech. We would never do this.

As other people mentioned, it'd be impossible even if we wanted to, because people would likely fork the code.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No. The API debacle was fundamentally about money, after all. In the very unlikely event someone does something similarly one-sided and stupid with a fediverse offering, people will simply fork it or move to different ActivityPub compliant software. Neither is possible on Reddit, a proprietary, for-profit website.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Actually... Reddit was open source until 2017.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddit
But the rest of your comment still stands.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I stand (partly) corrected, then. Apparently not all of it was (and it stopped being so long before it would've been relevant), but still, didn't even know that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not truly decentralized, it's federated. So if lemmy devs change things, each instance can choose whether to pull those in or continue with its current version, potentially defederating as necessary.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

wdym it's not decentralised? do you mean the development is centralised?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I mean instances are not decentralized, they are federated. When I say "decentralized," I mean how BitTorrent is decentralized, as in there's no central server where everything happens. Lemmy is federated, which means there are multiple centralized instances that communicate with each other.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

yeah I guess.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This was asked before, but it is under the AGPL (which means that if you modify the code you must make the modifications public), to make it a closed source project you would have to get the agreement of every contributor or rewrite it's code which is very hard to do (and i don't think i ever heard something like this happened). The federated aspect is another line of defense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Didn't know bout needing everyone's permission

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I guess I don't see what the incentive would be for this, or even what it realistically means in this case.

Do you mean like relicensing the backend and frontend with a closed source license? I don't see what the incentive would be for that unless they wanted lemmyml to be the only instance in existence (which runs counter to it's raison d'etre) and to make secret/proprietary/commercial extensions to it that are difficult to develop in the open.

Or I guess unless they wanted to start charging instance admins for the honor and pleasure of running their software, which at least right now would be the quickest way to ensure nobody runs their software.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I was just wondering about the possibility