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As the tittle sais, i was trying to create an instagram account and it is not possible without a phone number. Same with discord. Obviously i dont want to provide mine. Any working solutions to bypass this? not looking for alternative private service, i already use them.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Have you tried Firefox Relay? They have a paid tier that gives you a phone number and unlimited email masks. Yes, you have to provide a number, and yes you have to pay, but you wouldn't be giving Meta or Discord your contact info.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm not OP but thanks for the recommendation. I'll be looking into this

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Is it out for everyone? Last time I checked it said coming soon and I ended up getting anonaddy instead.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I tried making an IG account a couple years ago, and they wanted me to send them a selfie with me holding up my ID. FOH with that shit lol.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Had the same thing, really crazy

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Lmao for ig wow

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

https://kycnot.me/search?q=sms&type=

Here is a list of services that accept crypto payments to give you sms receive access to a phone number. This way you can sms verify your account, with a throw away number.

Once you create the account setup passkeys or use a fido2 key as your two factor verification. That way you can validate access's to the account in the future without sms.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Been using jmp.chat. I didn't have to give any personal info. It uses XMMP/Jabber to handle text/calls instead of wrapping your existing number. Their in-house client is pretty nice as it integrates with the dialer.

They straight up tell you its not private. That's not what I use it for. I use it to make my online activity less linkable when companies try to KYC me by requiring a TN.

https://jmp.chat/privacy

The phone network itself does not encrypt metadata or content.  Therefore, if your concern is a state-level actor, exploit of a service provider, or rogue employee, you should consider all the metadata and content of your phone calls and text and picture messages to be not private.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Damn, is it really like that now? I created my accounts for IG, Google, Discord, years ago and without a number. I refuse to provide it when they ask now and never had an issue.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Lately IG won't even let me log in wihout confirming my phone number so I've just stopped using it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Discord can outright block you from using it if it decides to ask to connect a phone number post-registration.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Yep it is very aggressive nowadays, simple services asking for sensitive information.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If in the US, Prepaid sim with fake info. Mint's trial sim gives you 7 days iirc for 2$ Edit: thought it was obvious but just to be clear, setup another form of 2fa after, like totp

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My experience with the app Burner was pretty good because the app can accept texts from new numbers, unlike a lot of free online phone apps. It's not free, however.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

This has been the case for Google Voice. I transferred my old number to it and even stuff I had it for verification no longer works because services see it as a landline for some dumb reason.

*note, this isn’t for all online services. Some still recognize it and accept it for verification. But a good handful don’t.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Some services recognize VOIP numbers and intentionally reject them because they see mobile numbers as a more limited resource for abuse prevention purposes, or more valuable personal data for tying to an identity and selling what they know about you to advertisers.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

You can create an instagram account with Tor for example, but it's extremely difficult. First try creating and Facebook account with their onion address. If not possible, try with the clearnet one. Then login to insta with that FB account. Your account might get restricted and you have to wait for a few months to lift it. You can also appeal to them.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I just get a second sim and phone number and just use that for these junk services.
So far only for telegram and chatgpt.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

This is the way. I got my phone set up in eSIM and just pop SIMs like Pez

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

How does that help? Anonymous SIMs haven't been a thing for years.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Anonymous Sims still exist in abundance. Cash for SIM cards is a big thing everywhere I've been.

But the IMSI doesn't change so it's not really anonymous if your phone is tied to identity. Just depends on your threat model

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

First - the thing that is persistent with a phone is IMEI, IMSI is the one in the simcard. Second - "cash for sims" is not legal in many places, like where I live. There are places that sell illegal anonymous ones (not like you can get in trouble for that tho), but idk how reliable these actually are, and I still haven't learned to find these places consistently.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I can go to Target right now and pay in cash for a mint SIM. Where are you?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Target is USA though. A ton of countries have such policy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

In countries other than in the US, this is a major problem (I am aware of this, having spent some time in Asia)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In Germany and Spain and I suspect in the whole eu you have to show your id when you buy a sim and they register it to you.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

Honestly those services are bad for privacy anyway. Its a good excuse to look for alternatives

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Just yesterday wanted to create a new Gitlab.com account to add an issue to a project, the stupid thing not only required an email and a phone number, the bastards wanted a credit card

Just closed the site and went away instead. How is this considered okay to open a damn free account?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Credit card sounds real shitty but they probably require a phone number to make sure people don't just create more accounts for free CI minutes.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I find that interesting, as there should be ways to only use email.

I'd say your IP or DNS is freaking them out. Sometimes when you have really good opsec on a browser, they can tell and will ask for weird shit like that.

I'd use a different browser, like maybe download Brave or Chromium or Librewolf (leave it out of the box) specifically for this stuff, assuming you use FireFox.

You can also download 3rd party clients for Facebook on Android, Insta is kinda a lost cause tho.

Edit: It's not on F-Droid, you gotta hop on Github, but there is a client for Discord known as Aliucord on Android.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I think it was from one of the many communities here that I found out about juicysms.com

Haven't had the need to use their services yet but they look legit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Unless you in an area that requires an ID to purchase prepaid SIM cards you could go that route. The issue would be when you need to log back into an account, it gets flagged, and you need to reuse that number for verification purposes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is why it's critical to set up two-factor on the account once you register. Pass keys, fido2 keys, etc.

This is so you can authenticate the account without the phone number. Just remember all of these systems are designed to the people can change their phone numbers, or when they lose their phones, etc you just have to provide enough factors so that they're confident it's actually you logging in.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

just dont use those services? even if you find a way to bypass this, you wont get anything out of it, they will still collect all of your data such as your location, device information etc.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Google Voice or Firefox Relay if sign up is insisting.

Also, after you create a Discord account, you can remove the number visiting account details.

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