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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Agree with you in general, but I think a lot if people here are not really informed what differences there are materialistic ideologies.

Yes, Stalin bad.

But Guevara is not Stalin.

Marx is not che

Engels is not Marx

China is not communist.

Marxism is not materialism

Socialism is not communism

Also the amount of people bringing the "the 3 times people tried socialism were bad, so the whole ideology must be bad" argument are way to high IMHO.

How many times was capitalism tried? How many times it worked out? Is the USA a "functioning" state with all the oppression, racism, greed, invading other countries out of monetarian interest and environment destruction?

While I agree with you, that oppression is bad, no matter what the oppressor calls himself, we should talk about policies without resorting to dogmas and generalising people in favor of fear the hegemonic class is propagating to stay in power.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's not the tankies here; these are "North Korea is a great country, actually" tankies.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Should probably listen to Blowback Season 3.

Not to say they're a perfect country but to pretend that anyone in the West can critique them when their material conditions are dictated by the actions of the West is just comical.

If you aren't a materialist, what are you even doing? As if history happens in the realm of pure thought.....

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The material conditions forcing North Korea to make work camps

Bugger off, tankie

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Something something worlds largest prison population?

Again, it's not like North Korea is some shining example or anything, but to pretend that the west has the moral high ground here is laughable.

Again, listen to Blowback Season 3, recognize that their country was basically bombed to the stone age Curtis le may style and then maybe reevaluate, just a little, the chauvinist attitude.

DPRK is not a great country but it's not as if they were ever given a chance either.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Is the USA a “functioning” state with all the oppression, racism, greed, invading other countries out of monetarian interest and environment destruction?

I hope you realize that this is an incredibly privileged take. The US is rife with issues, but the hardships experienced by the average western citizen doesn't even compare to the suffering that you would find in, say, Pol Pot's Cambodia, or (to a less extreme extent) Maduro's Venezuela. To compare what a US citizen deals with on a daily basis due to capitalism to what a citizen of any of those countries had to go through is very reductive and may be perceived as disrespectful to many who had to live those experiences.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

The United States, for all it's faults, is the pretty side of capitalism.you don't even need to look to the most poor countries to see a standard of living that makes even directly post ww2 soviet union look like a great place.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Based.

They already have lemmygrad.

Honestly, I don't think we need them here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

the have genzdong in there lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

tankies more like no thankies

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just removed like 40 comments and banned a buncha people.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

holy shit they kicked the tankies out of 196

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

based. also hiii moss :3

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

there's literally a community called "moretankie196", they should go infest that one instead

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

When a leftist, or progressive says “tankie” it is different from what the mainstream media perceives. It (tankie) indicates someone who is overzealously supportive of non-Western imperialist countries such as Russia and China and denies their atrocities.

Also, the term developed from the tanks deplored by the user to invade Hungary and denote people who supported such action.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This comment section is really something uh

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Tankies on their way to explain why teaming up with the Nazis to conquer Poland is actually based and totally in line with Marxist philosophy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Can you give an actual example?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thank fuck. I thought Lemmy was some ultra militant leftist hellhole before the shift.

I don't like extreme radical left any more than extreme radical right.

Fuck Che Guevara. Read a book.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

tankies arent radical left. they are authoritarians ffs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

what if the book is Che Guevaras "Guerrilla Warfare"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Is being a good tactician and being a genocidal, totalitarian extremist an oil and water situation?

He can be both.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I got banned from lemmygrad for saying acab means all cops lmao

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Meanwhile anarchist organizing doesn't have cops, it has Agents of Community Defense who definitely aren't cops!

I have nothing against anarchists, but you need to see past slogans to be anything but a useful idiot to neoliberals.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I mean any person or entity that enforces oppressive laws is a bastard. The government of China is far from some sort of benevolent state.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

finds social media developed by tankies

looks inside

finds tankies

fr I'm down with having a good old purge eventually but noone should be surprised

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

b b b b b based

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know what tankies are and at this point I'm too afraid to ask

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Usually people who advocate military communism, such as defending tiananmen square, Stalin, and more. Basically it's usually the belief that anything a government professing to be communist does must be good.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I should emphasize that a lot of pro-Western outlets and commentators have recently weaponised the term to discredit any diverging points of view re-the Ukraine War. So someone like Cornel West would be a "tankie" by this point of view, which is actually kind of disgusting in how dishonest it is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Diverging points of view? Like what, that Ukraine should just surrender and let itself be conquered?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

300 Comments already. Oh my god! Lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This post has literally 6 times the comments of the next most-comments post, jesus. Wonder what could have triggered this!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

When the Soviets invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968, there were some british leftists who cheered for those tanks driving into Prague. They proved by this that they didn't care about leftism, socialism, democracy or anti-imperialism at all - they approved the imperialism and militarism of the Soviet regime.

Their praise for the rolling tanks is what gave them their name: Tankies.

So, people who love North Korea, or defend russia invading Ukraine, people, who stand by even the most autoritarian, anti-democratic, militaristic, imperialistic regimes - just because they call themselves "socialist" or "communist" - are "Tankies".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

And Stalinist, Maoists, and other authoritarian Communists.

Usually they also "love" countries like North Korea, China, and for whatever reason (aNtI iMpErIaLiSm), Syria, Russia, and so on.

Red Fascists. They use the same tactics of gas lighting and goal post shifting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the prog-lib equivalent of woke. It's used dismiss leftists with out engaging with our arguments. The term has lite ideological or argumentative use.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Libs use it that way, actual leftists use it to describe fascists that think they're on the left and like red flags.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I have always wondered why it always says "Kick _" when she is punching instead of kicking. Lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Why are Blanquists even in the Fediverse? The Fediverse is about decentralization while Blanquists are for the extreme opposite.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Literally just made an account and am just a Reddit pleb. What exactly are tankies and what is 196? Guessing it's a Lemmy server but otherwise unsure

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

196 is a shitpost sub where you must post something when you vist

a tankie is a authoritarian that believes they're a communist. they support the imperialist invasion of Ukraine, and they deny the tianaman square massacre, where the CCP ran tanks over college students protesting the authoritarian government. they deny a bunch of other atrocities as well, these are the only two i can think of right now.

a lot of tankies are going to be posting an essay by Engles that defends authoritarianism, asserting that authoritarianism is compatible with communism. which, while sure, isn't ideal because one person having power always ends in genocide. well, it doesn't end in genocide, genocide just... happens under authoritarianism.