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[–] [email protected] 60 points 10 months ago

Pouring one out for you argentinian comrades

[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Living in Brazil and seeing this is so sad, my argentinean friends, we already experimented with the far right candidate here and you could see how fucked up everything was here and now you want a taste of the same?

At least I'm doing well now and I'm going to ask my friends if they want to come here they can crash on my house while they find something.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago

you won't find anything like that over here, sadly the right is taking a hold of the working class

[–] [email protected] 54 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

rip, stay safe. you never know with these fascists

[–] [email protected] 48 points 10 months ago (1 children)

owari da

In all seriousness, I'm not Argentinian, but I've been told that Congress and the Judiciary are not aligned with Milei. Hopefully this means only a term of stagnation and no policy instead of actually deterioration in Argentina.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

from what I've seen, this is just to save face right now that people are tense, after day one they will align and start to say that he is not that bad, we can dialogue and reach a middle ground and etc...

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

True. The main thing they care about is talking without actual actions, and they would rather fascism take over instead of excepting that the centrist systems of liberalism's version of democracy has failed. They fail to see that sometimes there isn't a "next time" to rely on for them or their parties to exist let alone run again.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I had a coworker that escaped Argentina and he told me he hopes Milei wins to fix the economy, wtf was going on in his head idk, he just blamed the left for Argentina's economy. I asked him why did Argentina's economy change so drastically from the 1900, he just said bad financial decisions from the left, not a mention of the UK, USA, or IMF.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Or you know, the mass murders perpetrated by the right wing military dictators.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I feel like he is a fan of the military junta, considering he also supports Israel.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The Junta hated Israel

The Andinia Plan (Spanish: Plan Andinia) is a conspiracy theory that alleged plans to establish a Jewish state in parts of Argentina and Chile. It is partly based on an exaggeration of historical proposals for organized Jewish migration to Argentina in the late 19th and the early 20th century (which, however, did not include plans for a Jewish state there).

The extreme right-wing had a strong foothold in the Argentine military, mostly through the teachings of Jordán Bruno Genta. In these circles, the Andinia Plan was sometimes assumed to be a fact, even though the Zionist movement had abandoned all plans related to Argentina decades earlier.

Later versions of the Plan, as published in Argentine Neo-Nazi media in the 1970s, involved an alleged Israel with the intention to conquer parts of Patagonia in Argentina's south, and declare a Jewish state. This theory did not take hold in mainstream political discourse. Many Israelis tour South America, some of them immediately after their military service as a gap year experience, with Patagonia being a favored destination, this is believed by conspiracy theories to be attempts to carry out the aforementioned Andinia Plan. However, there are strong reasons to doubt the relationship of these facts with the materialization of a plot to make Patagonia a second Israel, of which there is no evidence according to academic studies and the facts.

During the 1976–1983 dictatorship, some Jewish prisoners of the armed forces, notably Jacobo Timerman, were tortured for information about the Andinia plan, and were asked to provide details regarding the alleged preparations of the Israel Defense Forces for the invasion of Patagonia

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Damn, thanks for the info, Im even more lost then wtf its on his mind.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

wtf its on his mind.

The right doesn't need to have coherent thoughts, all it does is spread hate and lies, push the blame for social problems onto innocent people, all to distract people from the real problems that the right can't solve, since that requires real social reforms, which the bourgeoisie is always against, since that means the bourgeoisie would lose its political power.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

It's incredibly easy to pin down all the negatives in a society on the left - especially if they've never been in power.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago

dudes an ancap💀

[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago

horrible news, please stay safe. hoping he won't last long.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago (5 children)

What are the chances, if any, of an Argentine the-doohickey

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As great as we wishcasters make it. Keep manifesting..

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

who hid the lathe, we need it

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Agent empanada, you have your mission.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago

That sucks, stay strong

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago

I'm sorry comrade. That's rough.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago

Now we will get to see to happens when a PCM redditor becomes the leader of a country, unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

What are the chances we see this guy run his country into the ground. Like that libertarian town in New Hampshire that got overrun with bears but on a national scale? This sounds like a nightmare to live through for any Argentine comrades.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Some people compared him with that, lol. I really dont know how much he will be able to do, but he will fuck up as much as he can.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

Massive defundings and privatizations in sight...

And :

And b.t.w., contrary to what is often said, the huge i.m.f. debt(, with an 8.07% interest rate, more than others,) is the responsability of the right, as usual :


more here

[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago (3 children)

-reducing the age of being considered a minor

Mandatory libertarian point I see

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

All pedophiles are nazis and all nazis are pedophiles.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago

Ackshually it's ebepepheberebophile. And she's a 3000 year old dragon anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

he's basically said he'll rip out 90% of the government without replacement. I wonder how realistic that is given the powers he now has. can he even do that legally and practically? aif not, I'm sure he'd happily become dictator for life.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

Pretty sure he will end up as just yet another neoliberal comprador. And as such do great harm to the people of Argentina.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Combine Trump's bullshit with the attitude and ideologies from your average libertarian teenager on the internet: Javier Milei (Argentina).

From Wikipedia in Spanish:

He is a follower of the postulates formulated by economists of the Austrian school, and calls himself "anarcho-capitalist in theory", "liberal libertarian" and "minarchist in real life", although several of his political positions have been described as conservative or ultra-conservative and as fascist or neo-fascist.

From Wikipedia in English:

He criticizes comprehensive sex education in schools as a form of brainwashing, expressed skepticism towards COVID-19 vaccines, supports civilian firearm ownership, proposes to legalize the sale of human organs, promotes the far-right Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory, engages in climate change denial, and wants to restrict immigration of criminals.

Also:

Milei strongly opposes abortion, even in cases of rape, and has suggested a referendum to reconsider the 2020 law (Voluntary Interruption of Pregnancy Bill) that legalized it.

He also opposes euthanasia. Great libertarian, huh?

Basically, he was elected because he's promising fantastic changes for Argentina.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

Sounds like he wants the use of a rather powerful state for someone who claims not to like the state.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

wants to restrict immigration of criminals.

How is called when a politician wants to do something that is already in place? I emigrated to Argentina in 2007 and had to show police papers from my country of origin showing that I had no funny business to resolve.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

From @[email protected]:

Javier Milei is:

[...]

In favor of Austrian school of economics - Wants to remove the central bank

Adopt the US dollar

Homosexuality is a personal choice and compares it to zoophilia

Wants to freeze relationships with China, Russia, Brazil because they're communists.

Wants to align with the US, particularly Trump's party.

Against the Pope because he represents evil on Earth, and because it promotes communism which goes against the holy scriptures.

In favor of animal cloning

[...]

Almost everything is here: https://www.larazon.es/internacional/america/asi-piensa-milei-aborto-papa-corrupcion-comunismo_20230820655b13fab276150001c04e6f.html

The homosexuality one is trickier because he was explaining his libertarian views, and said: "What do I care what your sexual election is? If you want to be with an elephant—, well, if you have an elephant's consent, it is your and the elephant's problem". So... yes, he is comparing it to zoophilia, but not in the condemning tone I was imagining. It is, still, ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

“anarcho-capitalist in theory”, “liberal libertarian” and “minarchist in real life”, although several of his political positions have been described as conservative or ultra-conservative and as fascist or neo-fascist.

They wrote "fascist" 7 times in a row 😵

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He also opposes euthanasia

I agree with him on that euthanasia has a terrible history including links to the holocaust.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Perhaps, but my point was that he claims he is a libertarian and then acts incoherently with topics such as euthanasia. I guess it has to do with his Catholicism. Still, I don't like his hypocrisy/incongruity.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago

Claiming g to be libertarian and then innediatly espousing authoritarian views about personal liberties you don't agree with is about as Libertarian as it gets.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think you could put in a credible libertarian anti-euthanasia position by pointing to euthanasia's history of being coerced. I have very little sympathy for American pro-euthanasia positions as they resulted in the nazi policies of gassing the disabled being continued in the American portion of west Germany years after the war

Hard not to get the impression that euthanasia advocates may view me as life unworthy of life

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (16 children)

That’s not what euthanasia advocates are asking for. That’s greedy fucking capitalists that see a quick way to get rid of you and save some money.

Euthanasia advocates want their terminally ill grandmother with cancer that’s hooked up to and only being kept alive by 6 machines; to be able to request a doctor give them a sedative and a medically lethal amount of medication so they can pass away painlessly in their sleep and stop their suffering.

Something doctors are not legally allowed to do. Putting people through endless suffering and humiliation in the final weeks, days, and hours.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

He is conveeting to nazionism btw, literaly

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Trump, Wish Dot Com edition.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Will the Milei government be able to cancel the BRICS membership before it takes effect?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

"la casta" won...milei won't do shit besides attacking worker's rights and leftist's freeze peach as a classic rightoid with liberal economic ideals

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Hopefully it can accelerate revolutionary potential, at the very least

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

yeah, because that turned out so well last time /s

acceleration that outpaces leftist organising will equal catastrophe.

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