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Untitled Goose Game (lemmy.world)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Maybe because child labor existed before capitalism and it exists in non-capitalist countries?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

capitalism came with machines that mangles children, chemical exposures etc. Things they can't possibly know the consequences of.

Realistically like a kid making a basket or watching sheep is not the same danger level as being pulled into a machine or getting silicosis before they turn 18

[+] [email protected] -12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Then why didn’t capitalism fix that? Why?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

For a self-proclaimed "boomer", you're a surprisingly dense and uninformed, troll.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago

Every once in a while the universe surprises you.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Then why didn’t capitalism fix that? Why?

I mean, it did fix part of it:

Britain passed the Children and Young Persons Act in 1933 source

USA passed the Fair Labor Standards Act in 1938 source

We don't have adolescence coal miners today in the USA as a result:

Certainly not perfect, and even these standards are under attack today in the USA to make them worse.

If you're extending this child labor in other countries then you're opening a whole can of geopolitical problems with notes of imperialism and enforcing one culture's values on another.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Sorry, but things done by governments under the pressure of organised labour—even if those governments happened to be predominantly capitalist—do not qualify as "capitalism fixing that".

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

Socialist democracy fixed it, not capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I feel like the issue with what you're saying is that it's a bit of a "no true Scotsman," right?

Like, if any time someone points out where a capitalistic group or society did something good, you respond, "well that's not capitalism," then you're just creating a tautological framework.

"All things I don't like are capitalism, and it doesn't matter if those same things happen in non-capitalist systems because in those cases that's actually just capitalism infecting an otherwise good non-capitalist system" is a fairly unexamined stance, right? It might as well be, "capitalism is any bad thing in the world." The word loses meaning at some point.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

I feel like, in this case, big business would LOVE to hire children if they were allowed to. So laws prevent this in spite of those desires.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Things that happen under capitalism aren't necessarily because of capitalism (or any of the other "isms") so it is important to try and determine if these things that happen are a result of the system or despite it (or from some other overlapping system).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No, this isn't really a, "no true Scotsman," situation. The person claimed that Capitalism did reform child labor, but they gave examples of regulation, not Capitalism. An example of Capitalism ending child labor would be something like the free-market ending child labor because it was less profitable, but I can't think of a large-scale example of that.

If they had said, "No capitalist country could end Capitalism," and then when someone brought up the Fair Labor Act and they said, "Well then America isn't a really a Capitalist country," that would be a, "No true Scotsman," situation.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yesterday a 16 year old died in a poultry processing plant accident.

solved what now ? what are you on about solving when a 16 year old dies for your McNuggets ?

No one brought up other countries or other economic systems but you. That was changing the subject because why ?

Tu quo que what now ?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Those were passed despite Capitalism, not because of it. Workers fought tooth and nail for every right they have.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Laws fixed that. Not capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

"Capitalism did fix it!"

Proceeds to list Socialist reforms passed in spite of Capitalist opposition.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

If anyone is looking for, and if I am not mistaken, the above quote is from Parenti's Blackshirts and Reds.