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This whole thing of "you need to lie about the facts to make one side look way better than they are or else you are campaigning for the other side" thing needs to go. It just needs to go. It isn't fooling anyone, and it just makes everyone doing it come across as idiots. Own your stance, be honest about what we can all see, and try to explain why you feel like you do from base reality. I know you've been told it makes you a traitor or whatever, but it simply doesn't. It makes you come across as a genuine person, and it makes the things you say have more weight.
Wow, that's a lot of words just to set up a simple strawman. The people denigrating Joe Biden and the Democratic party are campaigning for the other one, either deliberately as agitprop elements or in ignorance as useful idiots. That's not a novel principle, and it's not unique to this election cycle. I'm happy to engage in nuanced, fair, complex discourse about US politics with anyone who wants to have it, and I have criticisms of my party. But that discourse isn't happening here, and it's not happening with these people.
These people are waving lit matches in the forest of US democracy and then becoming indignant when anyone suggests that things are really dry right now. And your position seems to be that I should be honest about the fact that sometimes a little fire is valuable. I hope you can understand why I think maybe you're not being honest about your agenda.
My agenda is to see more honest discussions. It is not a hidden agenda. I am very open about it. I, and many other people, honestly believe that Joe is doing a horrific job. I also honestly believe that Trump would do a horrific job. I am disgusted by the fact that nobody who could potentially make it into the White House has shown anything but complete and utter contempt for the innocent lives in Gaza.
I absolutely refuse to pretend that Biden is great for Gaza in some pathetic attempt to trick idiots who somehow haven't paid attention into thinking that Biden isn't floating in am Olympic sized pool of children's blood. I'm not saying Trump will do any better, and I'm not saying I will vote for Trump. All I am saying is that we will all be better off if vocal people like yourself were to at least try to have honest dialogs. No strawman, no hidden agenda, just plain, honest discussion. The thing that has offended you so deeply can be summed up in a single word. Honesty.
Do tell. What criticisms do you have of the Democratic Party?
Nope. Check the thread, comrade. I'm just here to put a light on the bait--not to swallow it.
So willing to make claims, but way more willing to run away when called to stand up for them. If you start trying to make honest claims, then this wouldn't happen, instead you would be glad to back them up.
Edit: typo
"You don't have to attend every argument you're invited to."
So no, thanks. I don't owe you a defense, engagement, or an policy apologetics treatment of the current administration's governance for the last four years. There are plenty of places to find that information if you actually care to find it.
So far you've managed to call me an idiot, a liar, and a coward in all of about fifteen minutes. Why on earth would I believe you're capable of nuanced political discourse? We've nothing to discuss.
I think nobody will be surprised to know that you are unable to point to any comment where I called you an idiot or a coward. I didn't explicitly call you a liar, but I did point out that you make dishonest claims, and I admit it is basically the same thing. Your claims that I called you an idiot and a coward are a wonderful example of you doing exactly that.
Believe it or not, you did show up to the argument, and instead of admitting that you lost it, you are trying to pretend you were never even here.
You could just say you have no criticism after all.
I could, but that wouldn't be true. I'll tell you the same thing I told the other sockpuppet: you're not entitled to an argument just because you ask for one.
Your accusations are false.