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[–] [email protected] 98 points 1 month ago (67 children)

Any moment now, the 'don't vote for Biden' group will be in here telling us not to vote for Harris. And if it isn't Harris, they'll tell us not to vote for whoever it is.

Anything but stop the dictator and his plan to commit genocide against Latinos and queer people.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Even if Trump wasn't going to do awful things, I can't stand his stupid face or his stupid voice or his stupid stupidity. That's enough to vote for someone who'll beat him.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No. It absolutely isn't. I was too young to vote in the 2000 election, but Gore had the same stupid face, long drawn out speech paterns, and general unlikability.

However, his policies, and his message were good. I would have voted for him despite his stupid face, because of him being the better candidate.

I FULLY understand people hating trump......but I underatand the hate because trump is a piece of shit. I get why trump is hated for his bad policies. I get why people hate having a criminal in the white house.

But to say that if a candidate were good for the position, but you hate their face and voice, I wouldn't understand that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah but Gore did win that election. It was stolen from him. Just like Bernie won the DNC nomination and it was stolen from him. Fuck the DNC. But fuck the RNC harder.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

This is the kind of comment that makes me angry, while I agree with all of it. It's a weird feeling to be yelling "YEAH I AGREE WITH THAT!!! RAAAAHHH!!!!!"

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Nah, Gore is not nearly as stupid as Trump, either in face, voice, or thought.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

as a queer leftist (look up ag kamala's record on gender affirming care for trans inmates for a fun time) I support her on electoral grounds- she isn't visibly falling apart at the seams like Biden and can do the physical work of campaigning and interacting with potential voters. We can work with this.

She is also on record as having a somewhat tougher stance on Israel's war (unlike Joe, who supported them no matter what they did). That's my personal red-line issue so I'm glad there's some semblance of a shift there :/

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Well VPs traditionally will say the things the President can't say publicly for geopolitical reasons. Harris may have been saying the things the Biden was thinking but couldn't directly say while actively negotiating with Netanyahu. Can't be sure but it's a more likely scenario than her going rogue against someone on the same ticket as her.

Doesn't matter now, but more for future reference. If a future President Harris isn't saying what you want her to say on foreign policy issues but her VP is, you'll know what's up.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

She's one of the reasons if someone were to kill you they wouldn't be able to use 'i panicked' as a defense.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I'm sure that her stance could have changed from that time as it's become a more understood issue now from then. It's the people that the president appoints that are ultimately responsible for policy in their departments.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (33 children)

I didn't want to believe it but they're already in the comments. We need to be vocal. Kamala is a great candidate.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

'Beating the Republican Fascist agenda' is a great candidate. I don't really care how that is spelled on the ballot.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'll vote for virtually anyone the Democrats nominate to stop the genocidal dictator, but my first choice, of course, will always be-

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Alright, fuck it. I'LL run. I'm 40, nobody knows me so they don't hate me, I think Hitler was bad, and I'll let you guys smoke weed and keep your pronouns.

And for the republicans in the room, I'm not going to send anyone to take your guns. That sounds like a bad idea, that we already saw play out in Waco TX. Nobody wants that.

And for all the cats registered as undecided parties......meow meow meow meow meow. Meow meow MEOW MEOW MEOW!!!! HISSS HISSSSS HISSSSSS clickclickclickclickclickclick......purrrr purrrr purrrr purrrrr purrrrrr.

And to all the mentally crazy voters, HEYMYNAMESBOBANDIMHERETOMAKEEVERYBODYSAFEFROMTHELIZARDPEOPLEFROMEATINGOURBRAINSANDTHEGOVERNMENTPOTBELLIEDPIGSBACONVIVALEREVOLUTION!!!!!

And to the dyslexic voters, Helol hwo aer yuo?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's my main deciding point, and why I'm happy Biden stepped down. I didn't think he'd win the Rust Belt. Harris might.

My main vote is "Not Trump's Fascism."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I will absolutely vote whoever is opposite of trump on the ticket. But a black woman winning the rust belt? That would be wild. I'm all for it, mind you, but that would be some crazy shit.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I may be a weirdo, but I was on the "I'd consider not voting for Biden." but I'm currently more interested in Harris. Nowhere near as bad of a track record as Biden had. From being racist, to supporting rapists getting into the Supreme Court, to backing massive removal of constitutional rights.

Harris' record isn't perfect, and while I'm in California, I don't recall any bills she pushed/voted for as Senator that was anything as bad as the USA PATRIOT Act. I don't like her record as our AG at all, but Senator is a different story.

If she picks a good VP pick, I'd be down. I'm wanting maybe Newsom, but that's just he biggest Democrat I know, as he's my Governor.

Edit: I don't know how to make it clear: I live in California. If I voted for a ham sandwich for oresident it would have the same impact as voting for Biden. My state's EC is clear and chosen, and popular vote doesn't decide the president otherwise we'd never have Trump. I was considering going Greens, but I'm looking forward to Harris. Get mad at undecideds in Swing States and Trump supporters, not a registered Democrat in California.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (5 children)

As a non American I just can't comprehend how any of you even have to think about this.

On one hand, an old man, who, despite his age and stumbling over his words, has ran the country relatively successfully for the last four years.

On the other hand, another old man that was a global embarrassment, cosied up to Putin and Kim, spent most of his time golfing and shitting his pants, stole classified documents and likely sold state secrets, he is a sexual abuser, an actual criminal, clearly has corrupt justices on his side with crazy plans, chummy with epstein and took multiple trips to pedo Island, promoted racism at every opportunity, many of the people connected to him for his first term were imprisoned, refused to accept your democratic process, contributed in instigating a fucking coup attempt, and that's likely not even the half of it...

Like, how the fuck can ANY of you look at that and say "Yeah but Biden stumbles over his words so I'll just throw my vote away/vote for trump..."

I feel like I'm going insane just watching this shit unfold. It is all so bizarre.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Don't worry, those of us Americans who don't have their heads up their asses are just as baffled as you are and 3 times as embarrassed that Trump is even an option again.

I am in a fucking loop of laughter and tears because I don't even know what to do anymore.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

As an American I'm newly flabbergasted by this every damn day

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes. It's insane. I will vote for whoever is most likely to beat Trump. It's embarrassing that he is RNC's pick for candidate. He demonstrated his inability to do the job and his fans still want him because he hurts the "right people". Horrifying.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (7 children)

you were considering not voting for Biden when Trump was the alternative?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (7 children)

A very common position among the lemmy crowd, unfortunately. I really don't expect much to change either, just swap Harris for Biden in the hit pieces.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Hi, I think you've seen me in enough places saying not to vote for Biden.

Go vote for Harris.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You wanna know how to shut those people up? Replace First Past The Post voting with something like Ranked Choice voting. Then they would have to make their own party and show us how it's done. (No spoiler effect to)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Harris isn't ideal, but she's an improvement. She's less on board with genocide than Bidenyahu, and she can fog a mirror.

Vote for Harris. Don't make the party regret listening.

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