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[–] [email protected] 110 points 3 months ago (6 children)

The funny thing is that the "extra strength" placebos likely have a better chance of working. The more elaborate and involved the placebo is, the greater the chance of it actually working even if you know it is a placebo. Our minds are weird. As always, I'm too lazy to look up the actual study so I don't know if it was a quality study or not.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The important thing is that you believe there was a study ;p

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I haven't read the study of course. Only read about it. Which makes the claim above even more dubious. But hey, this is the future, who has the time to fact check anymore?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you only read about it that gives it 50% chance at best at being true. Luckily I also read about it, so together that makes it 100% true.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Math checks out.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

You could ask an AI, maybe they'll invent a source for you

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

Somebody from Behavioural Economics has actually shown a nocebo effect for something with genuine positive health effects when people tought it was an ultra cheap version.

The story of that is in one of the Freakonomics books.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But you also might get more nocebos where you get negative effects from the placebo

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Trick yourself better you rube.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Gaslight yourself to health

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

This reminded me of an episode of Mind Field, which shows significant improvent in cases of ADHD, Migraines, and a skin picking disorder in kids just through the placebo effect.

They use elaborate set ups and suggestions like a turned off MRI machine, fake nurses and doctors in lab coats, etc. And the kids are actually told, that it's their brain doing the healing, not the machine.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Yeah, I heard that the placebo effect for pain meds is stronger in the US (than in Europe?) because there's more advertisment for it in the US (how they made sure this is causation and not correlation I have no idea, though ...)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I believe it's red placebos that are better at helping with pain.

The brain is a fucky old thing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

It's been a while since I looked at this, but different color pills "work" better for different ailments. Also the size and numbers of pills effect results as well. Two pills are "stronger" than one, bigger pills over smaller as well.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I only use brand name placebos. Generic doesn't work for me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

I find you have to use twice as much to have any effect.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago (2 children)

People wanna tell me there's no such thing as magic in a world where The Placebo Effect exists. Bro's got a low level healing spell that grows stronger the more he believes it works.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Also money. It only works if you believe in it, yet it controls all of society

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

they work even when you know they're placebos. now that's magic.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If it works. I do not care how.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I agree. However, to me, something feels wrong about companies making money selling a product to people with the promise that they work when they don't actually do anything in and of themselves. It's false advertising plus taking money out of people's pockets.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

IIRC, studies have also shown that the cost of the placebo had a direct correlation to the efficacy. Ah yes: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4345649/

Conclusion:

Expensive placebo significantly improved motor function and decreased brain activation in a direction and magnitude comparable to, albeit less than, levodopa. Perceptions of cost are capable of altering the placebo response in clinical studies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Put it on 90% "sale" all the time.

I know that's illegal, but when have laws mattered to pharmaceutical companies?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Oh my gosh. My brain is so stupid, is the author of this message.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

It's not stupid if it works

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (2 children)

But be careful with the dose

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Take too much of a placebo and you might end up with a nocebo side-effect.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Just pretend you took an ephemeral pill. Placebos work like that too.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I just go with whatever's on sale.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

For me, it's whatever is in the biggest bottle.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sometimes the shiniest, too!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Old-timey labels appeal to me

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

What if the pharmacy has, like, a whole vat of them?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

I only use homeopathic placebos.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Placebo is one of the most underrated bands.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Ah, Zicam. I'll never understand how shit like that is allowed to make claims

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Its a multibillion dollar industry

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Brand Named Extra Strength!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

This is very true after learning about guaifenesin, phenylephrine, and Docusate Sodium.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’m getting fucked up on cough medicine tonight. I’ve got this homeopathic stuff that I hear is insane.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Should have seen this coming, but still laughed out loud when it came up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Very relevant and pretty recent SciShow episode:

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ouUlQowZT5o