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[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Uhhhh sorry I'm still going to vote against fascism.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago

Yeah like these things will improve under Trump. Ranked choice voting will go a long way to combat the 2 party system.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're voting for polite fascism to stop rude fascism.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Biden isn't a fascist and you're an idiot if you think so.

There's a lot more to fascism than you just not liking him.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He's doing genocide.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Netanyahu is doing genocide.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

And J'Biden is giving him unlimited bombs and bullets and tank shells to make it possible.

He's also protecting Israel from retaliation from its neighbors and other regional powers.

The genocide would end without US support. You are voting for genocide and I won't let you wash your hands of this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

the genocide would not stop without US support… it has been ongoing with and without their support for quite a while….

really, when they’re low on bombs they start just burning buildings….

see also, the history of the Palestine-Israel conflict:
https://youtu.be/U3by9FoEFB8

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Without US support the bombing would stop, but more importantly, all of Israel's neighborhoods would be empowered to step in.

The US attacks the Houthis to protect Israel's economy. What happens if the US declares they will no longer protect Israel?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You think the moniker Genocide Joe is just a jab? You really think Joe Biden isn't fully complicit?

You're an absolutely perfect shitlib specimen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

You think the moniker Genocide Joe is just a jab?

yes, also it’s stupid.

You really think Joe Biden isn't fully complicit?

he is fully complicit.

you really think it was biden doing all of this for the better part of the last century? he can’t stop it… but he could definitely stop supporting it….

[+] [email protected] -25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The democrats are also fascists :l no politician will save you

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Fascist is a word with an actual meaning. I know it's fun to call the democrats fascists, but that's incorrect and ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

So doing genocide and cracking down on free speech isn't fascist?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

fascism DOES gave a definition written by Mussolini. democrats fit the bill.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

They just hear us say it about them so they assume it's just a bad word to throw at people you don't like, similar to doo doo head, or fart sniffer.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Yes because it is right wingers saying "the lesser evil is still fascist"

Please consider expressing internally consistent ideas.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Wait who do you think "they" is in this sentence? Do you think people here are arguing to vote for Trump?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

They would be anyone who says "Dems are fascist"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Words have meaning in political discourse, and no, they're not.

They're neo-liberals. Both fascism and neo-liberalism are totalitarian. The former is also authoritarian. And their ways of totalizing are different.

Neo-liberalism appropriates everything that's not itself and turns it into a commodity. This is its form of totalitarianism; colonialism and cultural appropriation for the sake of the 'market'. I.e. theft.

Fascism extinguishes everything that's not itself. That is its form of totalitarianism, genocide. I.e. murder.

Neither one particularly plays well with others (hence them both being totalitarian). And both are willing to steal and both are willing to murder. But the end goals of each are much different and fascism is much worse, as you know as a jewish person.

And a Trump presidency would be a fascist one. With Trans people first on the chopping block after Trump's political enemies.

So, no. Both sides are not the same. And I'm also frustrated with the democrats. But yes, this is harm reduction. A neo-liberal or a fascist. Thieves or psychopaths. Those are the choices. Or vote third party. Or don't vote. But in November, we know it will be Biden or Trump who gets the nomination.

I'll vote for the thief personally. Because I practice harm reduction and live in a swing state.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Fascism extinguishes everything that’s not itself. That is its form of totalitarianism, genocide. I.e. murder.

Biden is doing genocide, what are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

voting is not harm reduction

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Anything that reduces harm, is by definition, harm reduction.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

harm reduction is a specific thing, and voting is not harm reduction.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Words have meanings

uses buzzwords like totalitarian and authoritarian

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Thank you for understanding the reality of the situation and voting accordingly.

I agree, Neo-liberal is a more accurate label for the democrats. Thanks for taking the time to educate about the difference between the parties. Unfortunately, unless these "democrats are fascists too" people learn to understand the differences and act accordingly [1], they're going to learn the hard way what fascism really is, and we'll all suffer for it. For a very long time.

[1] "accordingly" means, accept the reality that either the D party or the R party will be in power in less than a year, and vote for the lesser of two evils (the non-fascist, but yes neo-liberal, D party).

This is a divided country. Almost half the people this country are right wing, and they vote. They vote for who they want in the primary, then they vote for whoever the R is in the general--and it works. Their party has moved more and more to the right.

But too many progressives don't follow through in the general if their preferred candidate loses the primary, considering the winning candidate not "good enough" to "deserve" their votes, so the D either loses or barely wins. D politicians have learned well that they can't count on left wing voters, so to have a chance of winning they must move right to capture more center or conservative voters, and thus the D party as a whole has also moved right. If the D party instead learned that standing for progressive values would get them enough votes to win, that's what they would do.

We started to see that in 2022. They had actually been afraid to stand up for abortion rights until they saw some election results showing they could win on it, now they're loudly standing up for it. Show them they can win with a progressive stance on other issues as well, and things will start changing. Slowly at first, then quickly.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago (3 children)

WTF? This is a horrible comic. Republicans in Congress are the ones preventing literally all those things from improving...

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Each panels requires one to be clueless about politics outside of the right wing bubble. Every single issue has at last one example of Democrats taking action to address the issue.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

this mindset right here is exactly why the system works exactly as intended

so close, yet so fucking far

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In what reality are you living in which democrats didn't further fund and militarize police?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I'll give you that for sure. I guess 3 out of 4.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

Nah I'd argue 0 out of 4

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Bruh I got bad news for you if you think trump is going to do anything but help himself.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

Their goal isn't to get people to vote Trump but push the democrats to work harder for their vote. They post in a gender queer instance.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Who is biden helping

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

ITT liberals(mainstream right wingers) model the behavior illustrated in the comic

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Wow 0 comments. That's nice.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There's a whole bunch of .world Americans in the comments.

鬼佬 be out in force.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Don't know what you're talking about, I only see a lovely empty comment section without any comment proving OPs point at all. Really I should have said "First"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And the alternative is? ...Trump?

After 3 years, people still don't understand what he really means for ""AMERICAN"" when he says America First. Spoiler allert: You're not included.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Claudia de la Cruz from PSL

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

anybody but the two ghouls would be preferrable, but we all know the entire system is broken.. you can't vote fascism out

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Since you can’t, just vote with your values then; otherwise, one is just making excuses to vote for capital.