Funny how none of the solutions to try and curb illegal immigration fall on the business owners who knowingly hire them. Enact jail time for those business owners, and see how quickly the demand dries up. No coincidence that most of these business owners are Republican. They want a permanent underclass of vulnerable workers they can exploit.
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Funny how none of the solutions to try and curb illegal immigration fall on the business owners who knowingly hire them.
They do... kinda. This problem peaked under COVID, when you had fruit rotting in fields thanks to our sudden crack down on migrant travel. We saw a similar sudden drop in available farm labor back in 2017, when Trump was ramping up border enforcement against seasonal laborers.
No coincidence that most of these business owners are Republican.
That's more a correlation than causation. Blue collar business owners tend to skew Republican because Republicans cater to the anti-union and anti-poc proclivities of socially conservative white nationalist land barons. When Dems were the party of the apartheid-era South, they dominated this same voting block.
But the brutal treatment of migrant workers has had a socio-economic impact on Gulf Coast states. Florida's orange production has dropped from 240M pounds in 2004 to 16M in 2024. Supplies of meat and dairy produce have sagged as ranchers from Nevada to Alabama to Iowa are running out of cheap exploitable laborers. More and more businesses are turning to the carceral state to provide field hands, but even that doesn't work well in states where people aren't having kids to lock up and the existing prisoner base is aging past the point of functional field labor.
Even with the most sadistic and malicious attitude towards your fellow humans, this isn't a profitable economic policy. It is being driven largely be the outright terror wealthier white land owners have of the young Spanish speaking migrants that dominate their workforce.
Migrants come here for jobs. Until employers who violate federal and state laws on employment of unauthorized residents are held criminally liable, migrants will keep coming.
This is not rocket science. Any other measure is red herring to keep two party circle jerking going.
The White House is finalizing plans for a U.S.-Mexico border clampdown that would shut off asylum requests and automatically deny entrance to migrants once the number of people encountered by American border officials exceeded a new daily threshold, with President Joe Biden expected to sign an executive order as early as Tuesday, according to four people familiar with the matter.
The president has been weighing additional executive action since the collapse of a bipartisan border bill earlier this year.
The Biden administration has grown ever more conservative on border issues as the president faces ceaseless criticism from Republicans and there are large numbers of migrants crossing into the U.S. from Mexico who are not easily returned, especially as global displacement grows from war, climate change and more.
sounds like a right leaning conservative to me
what about additional executive action on anything else like women's rights, minimum wage, or anything that could count toward the human good
Neoliberals have coopted the term progressive, just like they coopt, whitewash, and scrub away all of our movements.
This is a failure of Congress. Biden only has three options. Turn them away at the border, detain, or nothing. Nothing defaults to current immigration policy of busing from border cities to sanctuary cities. Sanctuary cities are at capacity, so the migrants would be homeless upon arrival. What do you propose he do? Turn away, detain, or leave them homeless in overcrowded sanctuary cities?
what about additional executive action on anything else like women’s rights
https://www.research.va.gov/currents/0324-Executive-Order-for-Womens-Health-built-on-VA-research.cfm
minimum wage,
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/government-contracts/eo14026
or anything that could count toward the human good
Your "minimum wage" link states multiple times that it is only for federal employees, not for the general population. There are still states where you can get less than 10$/h.
The President cannot unilaterally increase the minimum wage, which is spelled out in the Fair Labor Standards Act. Only Congress can amend that law. Biden's Executive Order went as far as he's legally allowed to go.
Well yeah he's a Federal Executive office holder. Is anyone confused about that? Anyone not understand the difference between state and federal government?
Most progressive president since FDR?
Really shows how low that bar was/is
FDR had his anti-immigrant blemishes, too.
Several, actually.
That was way worse actually, 2/3 of them were US citizens
Immigration is a net positive that boosts the economy and helps build the labor force and supercharge entrepreneurship.
But also, border encounters are higher than they've been since the 1990s, illegal immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete against immigrants to those who employ immigrants (i.e. upward), and the influx of illegal immigrants is placing a disproportionate financial strain on state and local governments along the border. In the short term, and whether we like it or not, increased net immigration puts downward pressure on wages. If Democrats hope to be competitive in places like Arizona, Texas, and Florida, they need to meaningfully address what voters are saying is the most important problem facing this country right now.
Fuck this. These people are fleeing horrible situations. We should be welcoming everyone to this country.
Situations often caused by US policy like the drug war, or as a result of climate change. Climate refugees are only going to get more common too.
No, when you have sex traffickers and drug cartels coming over, I don't think that's very smart. What I think needs to happen is to lower the limit of how long it takes to become a citizen of this country, that's what really needs to change.
we should ban drug cartels and sex trafficers then if policy is so good at keeping them out
They already are banned. I wonder, why there is a fentanyl crisis in the US?
Is it because of migrant caravans? enlighten this non racist
Yeah but then you probably say you want to ban all guns as well, just so that people can come over undocumented and bring over whatever they want. Again, doesn't sound smart. What about all the people who did it the legal way? I don't think having completely open borders is a great idea. It's why I advocated for lessen the amount of time it takes to become a citizen, so they can do it the legal way and don't have to get deported. You don't even want people to be documented? You're just going to let anyone in from one of the countries with the highest crime rates?
As much as it must appeal to all sorts of criminals to see so many of their peers represented in the US government I believe most asylum seekers aren't just looking for new criminal job opportunities.
Also yes I'm what I would describe as a pragmatic anarchist so indeed we should eventually get rid of all national borders.
You're a very scared little person aren't you. Everyone is out to get what little you have. Why don't you take a look at what your own countrymen are taking from you? Why are you worried about migrants when your own homegrown capitalists are robbing you blind.
Your threat isn't Brown people my friend.
Nobody brought up race except you. And ah, I can see now, you're an anarchist? Enjoy making below $15/hour then chump. Cry about why nobody gives you opportunities, its because your mind is absolutely smooth as butter. I will gladly keep all my firearms, thank you very much for giving me more reasons to do so. I just love how you immediately pulled the race card, that's how you try to win all your conversations eh? Pathetic.
Oh I wonder what kind of people pass through the US Mexico border to enter the US.
You don't have to worry about my financial situation I'm doing extremely well compared to the American median, which should be much higher than it is, but aren't billionaires so cool? Which one is your favorite?
Maybe I'll sneak in through your northern border and spook you later. I might not look so recognizably foreign though so be careful of every single person you see we're coming for you: boo!
But won't you think of Kevin from Nowhere, Idaho and his very real fear that droving gangs of bloodthirsty, drug-fuelled migrants will vote in his local elections? THINK OF THE KEVINS! /s
Migrants are given one year of free housing to decide if they want to naturalize or move to another nation. Current immigration law leaves hosting up to individual cities, without Federal mandates for participation. Sanctuary cities are at capacity, and are using a turnstile system to allow new migrants in as existing migrants leave.
POTUS can control detainment or turn away migrants at the border with the power of Executive Order.
Turning migrants away resulted in increased deaths in Mexico, while detainment is clearly not reasonably hospitable to people in need.
Honest question- besides the obvious solution of congressional immigration reform giving migrants the right to assisted stay in places other than sanctuary cities, what should Biden do? Turn away, detain, or overcrowd sanctuary cities?
We could increase funding and streamline the path to citizenship to meet the levels of immigration instead of letting a massive backlog build up that will only make the problem worse.
I know this seems like needless cruelty towards the most marginalized people in our society, but think about it this way:
If Biden accomplishes the republican agenda better than Trump, that means moderate republicans will vote Biden. And everyone on the left has to vote Biden anyway. This is why Biden has the highest approval rating ever.
It's crazy how the president can get around congress whenever they want to, but only to do bad things.
Edit: In case anyone didn't get the sarcasm, moderate republicans will never vote for diet-fascism when they can have the real thing, and carrying out the republican agenda just makes your base stay home, since the only argument that can be made is "Well Trump might do the same thing but worse". This is both cruel and dumb.
I know this seems like needless cruelty towards the most marginalized people in our society but the Democrat candidate acting like a Republican is actually a really good thing.
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