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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago (5 children)

What's the point of teaching children to deny climate change? So that they won't go and find a solution? Are they trying to eliminate human beings?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Let me guess....big oil is now lobbying for changes in our education so they can keep making money and ruining the planet

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

what good is money for if we all die

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

The world isn't going to die overnight, it's going to happen slowly, and it's already started. Failed crops, mass migration, water shortages, etc. The rich need to maintain the ability to influence policies like immigration to stretch out their miserable existance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The rich think they'll live in opulent bunkers.

It doesn't seem to occur to them that they'll be killed and eaten by their own security guards, once the collapse of civilization renders their money moot.

But we will all be dead by then.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I believe that they are direct funders of PragerU actually yes.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of these religious folks think the apocalypse can't get here great enough, so they are helping

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

doesn't make a lot of sense either - like, they're going to Heaven when they die or.if the rapture happens, so what's the rush?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Fundies often expect the world to end any moment now and for Supply-Side Jesus to further comfort the comforted and to send the afflicted to further affliction.

Calvinism, in all its spinoffs, is a fuck.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At this point I think there might just be an element of pure reaction and contrarianism involved. Dying's worth it as long as you own the commie nazi libs or whatever

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah I'm seeing this at the level of my provincial government (Alberta) all green energy projects being indefinitely canceled/ not being approved in favor of oil and gas based power. Ostensibly to protect jobs but the rhetoric used about it clearly just being backlash against the commie libs (and Turdeau of course)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Teach 'em young to get more votes. Republicans have been playing the long game for generations now.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago

If anyone has not previously googled for PragerU content, you should. I watched a couple vids and looked at images from a textbook awhile ago. You'll be sure it's either satire or fake. Best as I can tell, it's neither. That makes it scary.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For those that want to be informed, here’s the animation produced by PragerU and enforced for the Florida school’s curriculum:

https://www.prageru.com/video/poland-anias-energy-crisis

And here’s a more thorough article with facts and details, that does beyond calling a Reddit user and expert for a clickbait headline:

https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2023/08/prageru-climate-skeptic-science-florida-education/

Review the details and draw your own conclusions, don’t listen to Reddit (or Lemmy) users. Because knowing is half the battle.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

The problem is that there are grains of truth here, but a lot of emotional manipulation, such as:

  • Ania's friends stop talking to her - is this actually likely to happen?
  • Ania doesn't feel questions are welcome - every teacher I've had will return some days later with answers to relevant questions they couldn't readily answer

Poland’s leaders promised to cut all coal production by 2049

Yet the video focuses on the Russia-Ukraine war. Surely that war won't last for the next 26 years. I think the world would accept going back to coal (perhaps from non-Russian sources) until natural gas can be sourced elsewhere or replaced by something else. 26 years is a long time, and they could totally build nuclear plants in that time. They have the international agreements in place, so it shouldn't be a huge issue to roll that out by the stated timeline.

Had they started rolling it out sooner they would already have a backup plan to Russian natural gas and coal.

So the main thrust of the videos i completely fine, but it sets up a strawman pitting two all-or-nothing approaches (switch 100% to green energy today or abandon green energy).

I'm not going to go through the full video as the motherjones article does that already, but I do also want to point out that motherjones is pushing a heavy narrative as well, such as:

While no school district has announced plans to show any of PragerU’s videos, NPR reports, there’s nothing to stop teachers from independently airing the material

They're making a huge deal out of something relatively small. Basically, Florida has stated that schools may use PragerU's content, not that they have to or should use that content, only that it's allowed.

The important thing is how it's presented. I think this video would be interesting for in-class discussion, especially when shown alongside a video with the opposite perspective. It could raise interesting questions, such as:

  • how quickly should countries/states switch to green energy?
  • how do we balance local needs and global concerns?
  • is going backward when an emergency comes up a bad thing? How long is acceptable for a "temporary" step back?

I think it's also interesting from a "how bias can impact the presentation" discussion. So I 100% agree with it being allowed to be used in schools, but I think that should be followed up with some kind of auditing process to make sure it's being used appropriately, and that process should be as open as possible.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm all for getting a diversity of perspective, but information presented in an academic environment should meet a higher standard than "I found this on a political radio talk show host's site and I'm going to present it as the truth". It should be presented as an opinion and not as a fact. The best thing kids can be taught by their parents/guardian/teacher is how logically assess information in a systematic manner.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Logic and critical thinking was a third year course... in college... and was a freaking elective.

I remember being in the class and thinking that this probably would have been good to know before deciding what college or major to pick.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Citizens who can logically assess information in a systematic manner are less easy to control.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Just a reminder that PragerU made a video defending racism and slavery.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Thanos was right. Some greater-being should just snap some part of humanity out of existence. Just not the random half, but those who actively try to ruin it for the others.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is anyone able to find these videos on the Florida list of approved materials? I found statements from state officials that Prager is included, but I don't see it in any official documents or [teacher resource lists](https://www.flimadoption.org/Bids/Adopted Materials). I'd love some help digging it up so I can get involved.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Zoe Bee did a great video recently where she broke down some of the PragerU teaching materials from a teaching materials. They're worse than I expected.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if other well-known industry groups are also called our for their propganda? For example recycling is pushed by the plastic industry, the notion of "clean coal" is pushed by coal mining, and of course the entire notion of volunteering for charity is just Capitalism ensuring that societal problems will never try to be tackled by a Government.

This is no different.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What schools are teaching clean coal as part of their curriculum? And yes, even ineffective solutions like recycling are extremely different and far better than teaching kids outright denial.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm eager for The Audit to return.

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