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Remember when NFTs sold for millions of dollars? 95% of the digital collectibles are now probably worthless.::NFTs had a huge bull run two years ago, with billions of dollars per month in trading volume, but now most have crashed to zero, a study found.

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[–] [email protected] 188 points 1 year ago (18 children)

correction... always were worthless.

It's always been a con game.

Their so-called "value" was always determined by the ability of the person shilling it to make up bullshit. Literally the definition of a "confidence" game. Same problem as crypto in general. It's only has value if you have confidence in the person shilling it. The moment that person loses the confidence of their marks, the entire thing crumbles to nothing because it isn't backed by any real tangible assets.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

Also money laundering and tax rebate schemes.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

akshuallllyyyyyyyy, monetary value of anything is derivative to someone else's willingness to purchase the item

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can use this logic to explain away any other ponzi scheme too.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not really logic, and I don't think it's defending anything, it's just the definition of monetary worth.

For better or for worse, stuff is always as valuable as people consider it to be. Which may be related to how useful that stuff is, but often is not.

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[–] [email protected] 126 points 1 year ago

Well I am shocked!

No not actually.

[–] [email protected] 106 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Out of the top collections, the most common price for an NFT is now $5-$10.

Still overpriced!

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm honestly amazed they're worth anything at all.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (7 children)

We have been attributing a huge value to a metal that's mostly remarkable for being yellow and shinny for millennia, one of the biggest investment bubbles in history was over a flower, and people thought that using a loophole to profit from the arbitrage of international reply coupons was going to last forever. Hell, people paid for fake property titles for land on the Moon and Mars. It's not that surprising that some people think that buying a random number in a distributed database is an investment.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Yellow, shiny, and untarnishable/non-poisonous. The latter are very nice properties to have for jewelry, as your skin will eat away most metals over time.

People like looking pretty, that has consistent value other than using it as a medium of exchange/ store of value.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Does anyone else think that NFTs are an allegory/miniature version of how art is easily commodified by capitalism? IIRC, NFTs were there to help finance artists who work on a purely digital medium, but then grifters coopted the NFT space and try to sell sets of same-looking artwork. Complete with "fandoms" and drama, as well.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago

NFTs are simply a straightforward con, without the financial hullabaloo of cryptocurrency. The con is simple: convince someone that something is valuable when it's not. Selling a brass ring as gold to a mark too naïve to check, has been around as long as there have been gold rings.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

Nah, NFTs were always about the grift first and the art second.

After all, all an NFT token is is a digital receipt which links to an image hosted somewhere off-chain, not the image itself. All the "art" does is help to persuade people that the tokens are actually worth something and hype up the price even further.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago

The whole point was to get dollars into crypto so the holders could cash out. The value was never meant to stay.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You mean to tell me that purchasing what is essentially a URL hosted on someone else's server is a poor investment?

Shocked Pikachu Face

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I like how the url could also have the picture changed if someone wanted to lol. You don't even own the picture that the url points to, you just have a receipt that says "this url is my url, no I don't own the url, because someone can change what's on that. No I also don't own whatever is hosted on that url either"

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm sure they were a great way to launder money at the time.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe now I'll finally be able to buy the ones I want

(There aren't any)

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

It sounds like you could have always bought the ones that you want!

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I find it fascinating that NFTs were supposed to be a proof-of-ownership technology, but because people are stupid & greedy made pictures to sell with it

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It always reminds me of those certificates for owning a piece of the moon.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because it's pretty much the same.

At the very core ownership that isn't recognised by the state is meaningless. So that ape picture? No one really cares about some guy claiming to own it because they have control over the token. As long as it's on the internet everyone can just copy it and there's no authority caring about it one bit since NFT isn't recognised as for example copyright is.

Even when it comes to stuff like items in games, these also are only worth anything as long as the publisher of the game recognises your claim to it! And even if they did recognise it, there's absolutely nothing preventing them from changing their minds later. Simply because they create the game however they like and have 100% control over it's development.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

What confused the fuck outta me as someone who has been in the crypto space since 2010 is that it wasn't new or novel in any way. Colored Coins was virtually the same thing and it flopped in a similar fashion and there were several similar projects that did the same or never made it off the ground. Then, some shitty monkey drawings come along, are backed by virtually the same thing I had seen before and suddenly people I knew from my hometown who barely had two brain cells to rub together were claiming to be financial and tech gurus while peppering "block chain" into conversation. The one thing that brings me solace is that they all lost their investments

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Started laughing when nfts were introduced, still chuckle today.

It's great. Love it.

Grab the tulips! Grab them!

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not my Donald Trump trading cards! Nooo!

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

well that surprised no one

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All those rappers and celebrities with cartoon donkey and monkey profile pics showed how much for sale they are. They will promote poison to you for money

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

95% seems a little low. I assume that it's closer to 99.9%.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Wowie gee whiz, no one in the universe could have seen that one coming. /s

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Oh no.

Anyway.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Now? Always were.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Not dissimilar to money laundering or MLMs.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

The biggest operation of money laundering in the history of the world.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (21 children)

I still think NFTs could be used to make a form of DRM that is actually fair to the consumer, by maki g it so you can resell your digital goods and also make it so your digital rights don't vanish as soon as the seller gets bored. But nobody in a position to make that happen wants that.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (8 children)

NFTs are like a ticket roll, they can be quite useful, but that requires having an event or service that those tickets apply to. NFTs so far completely failed to create that. To justify the decentralized nature of NFTs you'd further have to make that ticket apply to multiple different services. That didn't happen either.

Buying your hats in a game with NFTs is pointless as long as those hats only work in that one singular game, centralized services can handle that better. On the other side, if you'd use NFTs to sell the digital games themselves, they could be quite useful and breaks through established online-store monopolies. But that of course would require different online shops to accept the same NFT, e.g. buy NFT for a game on Steam, but download it through EPIC. That's something NFTs could allow, but it would require the whole industry to play along, which due to everybody competing against each other is rather unlikely.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol, classic. Where's Ubisoft's NFT collection they were selling so hard last year?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Mostly used for money laundering

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'd say there's a fair number of people just speculating.

And a couple people get lucky and make it big. And that's promoted. Cuz it looks great.

But like a lot of the big movements, are money laundering as you said, or a way to bribe people. This politicians wife's cousins son sold an NFT for 4 million that's amazing!

But we get this with traditional art too. Any market where there isn't commodity pricing, price discovery is flexible, so it can be used for lots of social reasons

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Remember? Fuck no.

It was what for like 5 minutes during a year with a million other more important things going on to pay attention to that thing that kids with only somewhat rich parents used to try and scam their way to being as rich as the kids with really rich parents.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

You wouldn't right click a car would you.......

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Don't put your reputation on the line to sell links to ugly JPEGs, please.

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