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Nautilus, the Gnome file assistant manager, sucks utter donkeyballs. Let us make an unordered list of the ways:

  • If the underlying filesystem changes, say a copy operation, the file manager view does not update without a manual refresh by CTL+R. This leaves the view in a stale state, presenting false file information to the user, who might never know until they do something bad. This is a showstopper bug that's been hanging around since forever.

  • Batch rename. Good luck trying to rename a series of files ordered sequentially by number, if the number happens to start with any number other than one. A sequence from 2 to x is impossible to batch rename. Because regex in sed never worked either. No, wait. It's always worked! For like, 50 years.

  • Why, when moving a collection of files or a directory within the same filesystem, does it actually perform a copy and delete operation, taking cpu and time, when the inode location could just be updated like mv does?

  • Thumbnails? Why do they take longer to generate for images and video than than the totality of the existence of the universe?

Nautilus is an unusable mess. If command line file utils were this bad, we'd never be able to reliably store and manipulate files. Who in their right mind actually uses this junk?

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I also find it incredible, that there's no GUI button to edit the path. You have to just kind of know that Ctrl+L does that...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

I don't have any of OP's issues, but this one! I hate it! Especially on the Steam Deck

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Don't worry, it's documented on the second tab of options in an unrelated dialog box, so anyone who needs it should know where to find it.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Come to the dark side, KDE has Dolphin and it swims faster than any gnome could.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You can just install Dolphin on GNOME, you don't have to go the whole way.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You might as well go the whole way for desktop supremacy! ;)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nah, I like GNOME, and I mostly use Nautilus anyway. :P

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

KDE is the answer to all of OPs problems.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Dolphin has been one of my favorite benefits of switching from Ubunt to Debian! I didn't know how "plain" nautilus was until I met Dolphin.

I've been able to customize the file window to my liking and it's really nice !

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Using a file manager without split panels feels like going back to the 90s for me now. You mean I have to open two different windows?!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

I've tried both but always find myself just opening new windows instead of using split panels. I find it to be more convenient personally.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Dolphin has split panels... Hit F3

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Personally I never understood why file managers in linux refuse to do operations that require privileges. Guess what, if I have Nautilus open and want to move files into, let's say, /usr/local, I don't want to have to switch to the terminal to do so if I already have the stuff copied within nautilus. On Windows, I just get an admin password prompt if I try to do naughty stuff. On Linux, we have the whole polkit system, but no file manager seems to ever use it. Tbf, this is not a nautilus problem, as no file manager seems to do this.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You can do this in Nemo by default, and for Dolphin you'll need to install the KDE "kio-admin" package.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm aware of nautilus-admin, but not only is it not maintained, imho it should be part of nautilus by default, and it has to open a new nautilus window when you use it. What I want is to drag and drop files to /usr/local and then get a password prompt to do the move. With nautilus-admin, I need to have the foresight to use "Open as admin" when going into /usr/local, but if I had that foresight then I might as well just start nautilus as root to begin with. Usually I just want to look into the folder, and only then realize I need to change something, which means a good old "go back up one folder, then search the local folder again, then right click, search for 'Open as admin', then get thrown into a new window, completely disorienting myself in the process".

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In Thunar it's just right-click and "Open as root"

I really like Thunar

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

This annoys me to no end.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I honestly can never imagine Linux without KDE plasma. It has its flaws for sure, but at least I can modify the shit out of it to force it to meet my needs 100%.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah every once in a while I see a screenshot of GNOME that looks really nice and get tempted to try it again, and usually within a day or two I'm back to KDE lol.

No shade to people who like to use GNOME, but it's really not for me.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Absolutely. Gnome is becoming gorgeous, but its workflow is not for me. Also, all the missing things that I have to add extensions for is just not ideal. I just re-create the gnome theme in kde when I miss gnome. or just install it in a VM and enjoy for for a little while. Otherwise, kde has always been where I belong.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't even use Linux, but isn't copying and deleting files to simply move them, like super bad in the long run for data integrity?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, which is why Nautilus doesn't do that, and OP is doing something weird

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

It's crazy crazy sort order that I can't stand. They deliberately go in and remove certain characters from the filename, specifically to make the sorting behave weirdly.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (7 children)

If the underlying filesystem changes, say a copy operation, the file manager view does not update without a manual refresh by CTL+R. This leaves the view in a stale state, presenting false file information to the user, who might never know until they do something bad. This is a showstopper bug that’s been hanging around since forever.

I don't know what you mean. If a open my Downloads folder and then download something, it shows up in Nautilus without refreshing anything

Batch rename. Good luck trying to rename a series of files ordered sequentially by number, if the number happens to start with any number other than one. A sequence from 2 to x is impossible to batch rename. Because regex in sed never worked either. No, wait. It’s always worked! For like, 50 years.

I mean at least there is a batch rename function unlike in windows

Why, when moving a collection of files or a directory within the same filesystem, does it actually perform a copy and delete operation, taking cpu and time, when the inode location could just be updated like mv does?

Again, I can't reproduce it. I can move many GB instantly using ctrl + x and ctrl + v

The only thing that really annoys me with Nautilus is that you can't type in the directory path you want to open except using ctrl + L. In the hamburger menu there even is an option to copy the path. Why not make one more to edit it? Or replace copy with edit, because when editing you can also copy it anyway

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Of cause you can batch rename with an additional tool. Same goes for nautilus

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

So, gnome is an alternative desktop environment and it's great that they exist. If they inspired Apple's UI or the other way around, doesn't matter but they are the Apple UI of Linux. Mac users switching to Linux can have a somewhat familiar experience.

That said, their "we know better than you what you want, luser" attitude makes it hard for me not to grin when someone rants about their stuff. It shouldn't, because they are probably mostly unpaid contributors and their work should be valued, but once in a while...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Dolphin integrates fine into Gnome. Installs a tooon of dependencies though

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

It looks pretty though

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The one that really irks me now is that Nautilus in Ubuntu doesn't show thumbnails for PNG images in the file selection dialog. It's such an ass-backwards change that I'm legitimately shocked.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)
  1. The file selection dialog is not a part of Nautilus. It is either a provided by the toolkit (e.g. Qt, GTK3, GTK4) or by a xdg-desktop-portal implementation. The GTK4 file chooser that is also used by GNOME's portal implementation supports thumbnails since December 2022 or GNOME 44.
  2. I guess you are using an older (LTS) version of ubuntu that uses an outdated version of GTK.
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Nautilus needs Backspace for up directory. It is not just as good as Thunar, the king of non-TC-style file managers.

#ThunarKingofLinuxFileManagers

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I like Thunar, but it doesn't display the thumbnails I specifically embedded into my video files. Is that even possible?

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