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Xbox users booting up their console today were greeted with a large splash screen prompting them to buy it now that the new campaign is out, and some of them aren't too happy about it.

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[–] [email protected] 180 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (12 children)

I don't think it's that big of a deal if it's an event or 1p release but I can see why people wouldn't like it tbh,

For the love of all things holy, can you people, for once in your lives, oppose something on principle? This weak-ass justification, this "it ain't that bad" shit is exactly why we end up with something far worse in a few years. They count on this.

Do you know what Microsoft learned from the Xbox One launch? They didn't learn not to be anti-consumer, they just learned that they need to do so slowly and gradually. The mistake they made was going too hard too fast, and creating kickback. They learned to implement little things, the things that "aren't that bad". And then another one a few months later. And another one after that.

It's called boiling a frog. It works because of the average person's passivism.

So please, I'm begging you, think forward. Develop some pattern recognition. Stop downplaying the minor things just to be contrarian and defend a billion dollar company from perfectly valid criticism.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Youtube wasn't that bad when you could skip one 5 second ad as well.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago

I remember back when Hulu was free, and they gave you a choice of 1 ad watch at the beginning to “pay” for your video

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

I've said it before and I'll say it again: We have a HUGE Apathy epidemic right now, and it mostly affects younger people (Gen Z on down mostly but some younger millennials too). I think this is mostly because they were born too late to realize that things don't actually have to be this way and could in fact be better if people just...tried. But they've been beaten down and had the phrase "that's just how it is/always been" beaten into them so much that they just stopped caring.

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[–] [email protected] 121 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I just hope and pray that when Gabe Newell decides to retire, he hands the reins for Valve off to someone like-minded.

A huge part of the reason PC gamers have it so good is because GabeN refuses to sell Valve (and by extension, Steam) and also wants to deliver the best product possible. He's content with merely making lots of money, instead of trying to squeeze every last cent out of Steam at the storefronts expense.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago

I never really thought about the fact he’ll eventually retire. That is indeed a frightening thought.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What is this circle jerk??

I don't know that fairy tail you are experiencing, but Stream pops up an add window that you need to click past almost every time I open it.

Both Xbox and Steam are in the business of selling games, and they both put items they sell in the user's face.

Sure Steam is more consumer friendly, but pretending they are free of sin on this current subject is foolish and dilutuonal.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You do know that you can disable that popup in the settings, right? You can also decide on which page the client opens. So if you set it up right you won't see an ad inside the client unless you consciously open the store page. And I would think that ads on a storefront are somewhat the point of the storefront.

Yes, you can be bothered by how much of a cut steam takes, or how they no longer curate what gets on their store, but compared to what's happening on consoles it's in another league. If you don't want to use steam, go ahead and try GOG Galaxy, it's a bit rough around the edges and doesn't have every game, but those it has don't have DRM.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

I kinda hope Valve gets put into some kind of employee-owned foundation when Gabe leaves. Doesn't need to be a non-profit, but it would be great if it could be set up in such a way that it can never be sold, only dissolved, and that if dissolved all IP and assets become open source/public domain.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Being in your 30s really means getting to grow up though the golden era of gaming. Real life gets in the way now so I just have the games I liked, maybe buy one or 3 (non AAA) titles a year, and that's good for me. I'm still young enough to be confident I'm not being an old fart when I say, there really is barely anything worth your time or money in the industry anymore. There are of course exceptions, but man, its rough.

I hope it all fails and has to start again before 'valve, and EA company' becomes a possible timeline

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 10 months ago (5 children)

We’re only a few steps away from having to drink our Mountain Dew verification cans.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

For the unaware:

First posted in 2013, I believe..

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Thanks for this!

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 10 months ago

Microsoft is really trying hard not to lose their last place in the console market lately

[–] [email protected] 56 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Remember the good old days when you got ads INSTEAD of directly paying rather than in addition to forking over already extortionate sums to profiteering megacorps? Pepperidge Farm does.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

It should be illegal for companies to put ads in a system you paid for.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago

Especially retroactively. I’m seeing that in a lot of apps. You buy it. A year later, ads regardless. That kind of chicanery should be illegal.

Also, I sold my Xbox SX a few months ago. Dodged one 😅

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely. Hell, with how much of the heavy lifting they're doing for corporations destroying most aspects of the world, it should probably be illegal to advertise at all except in strictly limited circumstances.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm all for banning billboards and whatnot. Forced advertising without any service in return is theft of attention and time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not to mention the fact that huge billboards along streets and roads are by definition either ineffective or an impediment to traffic safety, depending on whether or not they manage to catch your attention while you're operating a vehicle..

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 10 months ago (19 children)

I legit went, “oh fuck no” at just the headline, and I don’t even have an Xbox.

I’m a PC gamer, and I don’t have words for how pissed off I am about the fact that every time I turn on my PC, the first thing I see before I can run log in in is a screenshot from Starfield and a message to “Play Starfield on Game Pass!” or to get Game Pass. Like. Eff off and let me log in. If I had to see that bs on a console to boot? I’d be screaming.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

I've never seen that.

But what I think it happening is that you have your lockscreen background image set to "Windows Spotlight"? The web-based one? That's usually the nature image in the background of MSN search, too? Because yeah, sometimes MS swaps that out for a full-screen image about a new game release, and that in turn would then also show this on the lock screen.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

At the risk of being That Guy, Linux has come a long way for gaming and distros won't pull this crap. Just sayin.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

I’m on Win11 and don’t have that. Think you need to turn off “Spotlight Backgrounds” somewhere in settings. While it gives you new backgrounds, it uses it as advertising.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

I would've legitimately sell my xbox on the very same day. It's probably an overreaction, but i'm not looking at ads on my paid xbox with a monthly subscription.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

The minute i saw that was the minute i changed away from those types of backgrounds on the login screen. In the control panel you can just change it to anything you want

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I've paid for an Xbox gold subscription since it's been available, but when it expires early 2024, I'm done.

The video game industry pushed me away from wanting to play video games. Microtransactions, console ads, "seasons", standard/gold/platinum editions, "online-only" single player, freemium garbage, pay-to-win, the paid Xbox Game Pass which removes games from the library on a regular basis... everything about modern gaming is just so off-putting.

The enshitification of the gaming industry is just another good thing that's gone to shit because of greedy assholes.

I'll be perfectly fine with my <$50 retro gaming system, where there isn't a single hint of what the modern gaming industry has become.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

the paid Xbox Game Pass which removes games from the library on a regular basis

This isn't a fault. It's a subscription service. It's not an ever-expanding library of games you keep forever and it was never supposed to be. Many games are only there for a period of time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Right. But if you are a paying customer, and you're about to beat a game, and MS removes the game from GP, that's super fucked.

Best thing gamers can do right now is not buy Xbox.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago (3 children)

“Thanks for buying our console, here’s an advertisement!”

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Aggressive marketing is killing the love for gaming. There's nothing that can be done to off set the whales and that's so disheartening. Games have become a part of the day to day stress with needing daily log ins for rewards or to buy an overpriced subscription to play with friends. The fact single play games dwindle down more and more everyday is why I moved to PS just so I can enjoy them with games like Spiderman

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

There's a couple AAA games lately I've enjoyed, but yes I agree with you. Marketers are killing their own market for short term gains. The last several multiplayer games I've had are just as terrible as you describe.

I've put more hours into a 30 dollar factory game than all the AAA games over the last several years combined. Shows how just some TLC can make a great game, but marketing will only hurt it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

I saw it. I wasn't happy for that kind of crap.

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