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The myth that if you put enough men together in one place that they will automatically start becoming toxic is

Not what I'm talking about about.

I'm saying men can just use the "default" ways to get help.

So while a "men only" safe space may start out beneficial, eventually more and more extreme views will be oresented. Which over time will drive off the normal men who started the community.

Because they still have default paths for help.

This concentrates the crazy, as more normals leave, it moves the tone of the space, which leads to either more normal men leaving, or staying and becoming radicalized.

And even the ones that leave later, are leaving a little worse than they showed up. They're taking that change of tone back out in public. And effecting the default tone as well

I understand where you're coming from, but you're not thinking it all the way thru.

Good intentions, bad plans.

And this isn't my hypothetical either, this is how most incel communities are created.

I'll find a source and edit it in if you haven't replied yet.

Edit:

I can't find a source on it now.

But what I'm remembering was a discussion on how the literal r/mensrights sub became so radicalized.

It started out with decent normal men who were discussing things like custody rights.

But because they wanted it to be about men's right and empowerment in general, they let people talk about other stuff. As more and more extremists showed up, the original members slowly left. It was a "frog boil" where those extremist views slowly became the default.

The more I think about it, the more I think it might be like a John Oliver or Jon Stewart segment and not an article.

But trying to search isn't getting me anything, if I specify the sub in the search, I just get results from the sub about bullshit.

So hopefully my explanation makes sense.