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From the construction industry to the tourism sector, Greek employers cannot find the staff they need. The government's solution: longer working hours. A new law enables employers to implement a six-day work week

After 15 years of recession and austerity and three rescue packages that came with tough conditions attached, labor in Greece is no longer strictly regulated.

Collective agreements have been frozen for years, and in many businesses, staff work on the basis of individual employment contracts.

While the 40-hour work week is still officially in place, employers are permitted to require staff to work up to two unpaid hours per day for a limited period in return for more free time.

In theory, this additional work is voluntary. In reality, however, workers in many businesses and workplaces are forced to work longer hours without receiving any form of compensation.

The authorities — which are themselves short-staffed — rarely carry out checks to make sure that labor law is being observed. Making sure that the authorities can do such monitoring tasks effectively is not a priority for the conservative government of Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis.

But even before the law on the six-day work week comes into force on July 1, Greek workers work longer hours than any other workforce in Europe. With an average 41 hours per week, they work more than all other EU citizens, according to the EU's statistics agency, Eurostat. What's more, the pay they get for these long hours is low by European standards.

With a minimum monthly wage of €830($887), Greece ranks 15th in the EU in this respect. In terms of purchasing power, it ranks second last in Europe.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you're not going to address your labour shortage by making things worse for labourers.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's like Greece doesn't understand what being part of a (mostly) united labor market with the EU means.

You have to offer better standards, not worse, to retain labor

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is that when the Country leaves the EU or the people leave the country?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

The beatings will continue until morale improves!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Fuck. Don’t give corporate America ideas. It’ll be the next shit spun through this travesty of a Supreme Court.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Why do you think Amazon and Elon musk are arguing with the Supreme Court that the DOL and labor rights are unconstitutional.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

The labor law challenges have already started.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Huh, I wonder if any of those refugees they keep murdering might have been able to do some work?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (4 children)

ELI5: Why is the greek economy so fucked?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Plenty of different reasons.

Historically, Greece was a poor country in Europe because it was the periphery of the Ottoman empire and therefore barely received investment.

Through the 20th century, the country went through pretty corrupt governments (one of them being a dictatorship).

When they joined the European market, it was already a very unproductive country in relative terms, which tends to force you into remaining in the periphery under normal market conditions; and their most educated citizens saw a very easy and profitable opportunity in just migrating out.

On top of that, the only sector of the Greek economy that had any sort of strength was tourism, which very rarely provides good wages.

By the 2007 crisis, they already had a dangerously high debt. Because they were, again, a tourism-focused economy, when the countries that had the most tourists going to Greece entered into recession, Greece's income plumetted as well, and the debt just soared.

A little bit later, Greeks elected Syriza, which had simply accepted that they were in a debt spiral that would ultimately crush the country. Syriza's leaders told the other European governments that their debt had to be renegotiated (annoying for Greece's creditors, but at least it would be possible for them to pay in some capacity), or they'd leave the Euro-zone and just declare bankruptcy (thus they wouldn't pay back anything) (terrible for Greece, but perhaps not as terrible as the alternative).

The rest of Europe told them to fuck off for a variety of reasons (plenty of German newspapers had chosen Greece as their sacrificial lamb, often calling the people of Southern European countries lazy, the Spanish president back then wanted to crush Syriza because they had been associated with a growing Spanish opposition party, generally a lot of them were into fanatical fiscal conservatism).

Then Syriza chose not to leave the Euro-zone anyway (which provoked Varoufakis to leave the government, out of principle), and just stick to managing the country's misery. It has only been shit year after shit year for Greece since then, as any possibility of steering into a different direction was shot dead. It's just a country without hope at this point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Varoufakis (Marxist econ professor and also briefly the Greek finance minister) wrote a book about this called "the adults in the room". He's biased of course but I respect him a lot

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A lot of reasons, but deeply rooted incompetence and graft in the government is a big one. A culture of tax evasion, lack of enforcement of laws on the private sector, and a lack of investment in improving industrial practices (leading to low productivity per hour worked compared to countries that DO keep up-to-date) also contribute.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Very informative, thank you.

You can kind of see how all these problems would compound with each other and make each other worse. Of course people don't wand to pay taxes to a government that will waste or embezzle their money. But the government does need money to make things happen that might improve the situations of the everyday worker. The government needs competent administrators, lawmakers and judges to properly regulate the private sector, but the private sector can pay a competent person triple what the government pays because the private sector isn't subject to laws that force them to be ethical.

Guess there's a reason that corruption is such a common cause of failed governments.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Any explanation that doesn't include the fallout from the Great Recession and the following years of austerity is grossly incomplete at best.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

I am sure the bizarrely numerous Greek billionaires are completely unrelated to their economy being fucked and not a clear sign of how deeply inequal and stratified the Greek economy is! Lots of hyper wealthy and destitute citizens means that everything is working, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Above 10% unemployment yet more work time... Something aint right.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So school and Kindergarten will also be six days? Otherwise what do you do with your young children?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well whatever you do, don't give them to Socrates to look after!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No no, Socrates is exactly who we need right now! ..Damn, why did we poison him??

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Trust me, you let Socrates teach your kids and they just come home and ask you endless questions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

socratic method: a method of teaching by question and answer; used by Socrates to elicit truths from his students https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

If you ever read Socrates, most of his questions are just giving you the answer and then saying "doesn't that make sense?"

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A 6th day at 40% pay? Yeah, that's a big "no."

OTOH... a 40 hour week, for the same pay, spread across 6 days wouldn't be awful.

Mon - 7 hours.
Tue - 7 hours.
Wed - 7 hours.
Thur - 7 hours.
Fri - 6 hours.
Sat - 6 hours.

Or however you want to arrange it:

Mon - 5 hours.
Tue - 5 hours.
Wed - 7 hours.
Thur - 7 hours.
Fri - 8 hours.
Sat - 8 hours.

Mon - 6 hours.
Tue - 6 hours.
Wed - 6 hours.
Thur - 6 hours.
Fri - 8 hours.
Sat - 8 hours.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A 6th day at 40% pay? Yeah, that's a big "no."

It's 40% extra pay, like overtime in the US.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Oh, well that's DIFFERENT!