There was some super racist shit on here recently about how white people should stop posting. Really disgusting.
this post was submitted on 11 Aug 2024
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Again? I’m blocking this fool.
There's currently only 1 user that I've noticed that keeps bringing race up.
If you want to see racism just check the modlog. My favourite feature on Lemmy.
Funny that not one example of racism existed in that post and you were asked multiple times to point it out, yet never did despite claiming it was in there.
How about you share an example of this "anti-Blackness in this thread"?
My sister is the type that most would call "A Karen". She finds problems when no problems exist. She's not racist. The problems she finds are just mundane things that she uses to become angry over.
She ordered the fish at a resteraunt, and then when the waitress brought what she wanted, she complained that it was frozen fish. The waitress asked to clairify how she knew it wasn't cooked if she hadn't taken a bite yet, and my sister clairified that she was upset that this was a previously frozen fish, rather than a caught fresh fish from the lake.
She made no attempt to ask about this when ordering. She just threw a $100 bill on the table, and stormed off leaving the rest of the family behind.
When we were kids, she cried at my mom that her oreo had a crack in it. So she refused to eat it. So I ate it. Now she was crying that I ate her oreo.
My point is, there are people in life who LOOK for problems. And it's like I tell my sister, if you look for problems, you'll find pronlems. If you look for solutions you just might find help.
And it seems to me that OP here is looking for problems when they are so miniscule, that the rest of us are having difficulty finding proof of their existence.
I've not seen any, but I'm also not subscribed to the kind of communities that would be prone to it. I did still manage to get some transphobia directed at me, which is wild because I'm cis.
That's the thing with the fediverse, every instance has a slightly different view of the thing as a whole. That's why picking an instance that aligns with your values matters. You're not going to see much of that on blahaj or beehaw because those users get banned quickly, and problematic instances are defederated as a whole. The matching opposite instances exist too, some are made to be safe heavens for the extreme right, with all the *ism and *phobias going on there.
I recommend people of color to pick instances that supports them, which in turn means they have admins watching their back and shutting down racism quick.
The fediverse will have every problem that plagues other social medias, and it will be worse because unlike Reddit/Twitter, there isn't a centralized authority to say no, that's enough. The only way to deal with it is most big instances saying no and defederating those, but it'll never go away fully, just hidden away.
I have seen extremely little racism on Lemmy, but my instance is defederated from those places (.ml, Hexbear etc.) they blocked us themselves so we didn't even have to do anything. So I definitely dont have the whole picture.
Good point, thanks. It's great that mods are blocking sources of racism, although also means that people who don't see can wind up thinking that there isn’t any racism.
It's great that mods are blocking sources of racism
Or sources of racism are blocking lefties, hah
I don't typically see it on here and when I do I report that shit
Facebook, Reddit, and YouTube? Every day, Facebook loves to tell me how it doesn't violate their rules though.
Mostly what I see with any level of frequency is troll posters spamming intentionally inflammatory memes in apparently random communities. I've reported and blocked every post like this that I've come across.
Thanks! Yeah, one of the dynamics is that when people quickly report and mods take the posts down quickly, most people don't see them ... which is good, but also means that it's easy to believe that there isn't any racism.
This is a pretty left-leaning platform, so you don't generally see 'outright' racism.
I find it fascinating that this is down voted.
This is the 8th time some of us have seen this posted.
Also not everyone agrees that this makes sense. Asking people to post, link and comment any all racism even if it’s just a description.
This person seems to think the solution to racism is segregation and making different rules for the races. Also this person only seems to be fixated on black vs white. It’s all very odd.
I wasn't aware that this has been posted before. I spend way way to much time on Lemmy and I've never seen it before, or any post relating to racism on Lemmy. Of course something being posted to many times can be annoying.
I thought the post was interesting because of how much talk there's been on Mastodon about how exceptionally bad black people's experiences are on there, and Mastodon is a part of the Fediverse. There are tons of complaints about how white people don't even see the racism in front of their eyes on Mastodon, claiming there is none (which I, maybe incorrectly, correlated with these here downvotes). Personally I've never seen any racism on Mastodon, nor on Lemmy, so if someone is asking for racism to be linked I would find that interesting because I would like to see what I am missing. I could learn from it. All racism isn't blatant and using slurs that are obvious to people not being targeted.
As you say, all racism isn't obvious. A quick look at their post history shows 7 or 8 race related posts recently.
Repeatedly stating white people should do or not do specific things.
This seems to me like the definition of racism at it's roots.
You're saying OP is a racist?
No, but the things they are saying, maybe inadvertently, are starting to seem that way.
Swap 'black' and 'white' in their do not do list. Does it sound racist now?
They are addressing racism against black people from white people. Based on what I've seen black people say on Mastodon about how they're treated on that part of fedi, the points in that list seem reasonable (except "don't post as much", which seems weird). What they're trying to do, as far as I understand, is to open the eyes of many white people who don't realize what's going on. I guess you could say they're pointing out and trying to fight a kind of systemic racism, or a bias that can take the form of inadvertent racism.
In order to do that, the people affected by that (white) bias would benefit from countering said bias by taking part in other and more diverse sources, groups etc. In this specific case, black people. Basically: "hey guys, your group is treating us badly, would you mind listening to us instead of just saying that you're not treating us badly?"
I appreciate it probably comes from good intentions, but generalizing how entire groups of people should change to suit another group of people is a slippery slope.
I hear you, and in general I absolutely agree. However I definitely believe that it's valid in cases like these. I'm one of the affected, I'm white, and I've never seen racism on Fedi, and I take this as nothing but a group of people trying to help me see if I have any unintentional racist blind spots (which I'm pretty much guaranteed to have, as we all have them). It's a good thing for everyone.
Absolutely we all have blind spots, I just think OP's blind spot is addressing 'white people' like none of us live with, and around many cultures, not just races.
If someone were to address my local Polish or Bangladeshi or Muslim or whatever community the same way OP is addressing 'white people' in this post I would call it borderline racist and in fact it would fit in OP's original 'don't do' list.
Yes, but context matters. Not that I have any statistics, but I would assume the Fediverse as a whole is predominantly white to an almost absurd degree. Had someone who represents a very small minority in Bangladesh turned to the Bangladeshi people to adress concerns of racism they experience all over Bangladesh from Bangladeshi people I would hardly call that controversial.